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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

UK Women- Sall Grover is fab and needs a bit of help

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CrocsNotDocs · 23/06/2025 11:06

I’m an Aussie TERF and I have done a fair bit of gardening over the years to help out UK women who have run afoul of the TRA mob. Allison Bailey, Maya Forstater and Jo Phoenix spring to mind. Hundreds, if not thousands of Aussie women like me dug deep for UK women. As you probably know, Australia is still a couple of years behind TERF Island as far as women’s rights go in the sex and gender space. If you can spare some potting mix and seeds to help out Sall with her critical case, that would be great. Sall is a strong GC voice on X and has stood shoulder to shoulder with UK women for years.

I have never met or spoken to Sall but she has been the woman in the arena for years. This is what she has just posted on X-

A Sort Of Giggle v Tickle Update

While there is always so much happening behind the scenes, unfortunately, there isn’t much I can say publicly because I can’t say anything until it is on public record. I’d much rather just tell everyone everything that is going on. But I can’t, yet. While I don’t respect the premise of this case, I do respect the process & rules of the court. So it is what it is.

But what I do want to say is, while I very rarely detail the emotional & mental toll of 3.5 years in federal court for knowing men are not women, and having to put your entire professional life and a large portion of your personal life on hold for that, I think it is important to occasionally talk about it.

It’s important, in part, because there is still a decent percentage of the media class denying that “trans rights” have cost women anything. This really grinds my gears. Currently, in Australia, men who claim to be women have more rights than women. We cannot legally say no to them in our spaces, events, services & sport. I think that is a significant problem. A big part of women’s rights is the right to say “no”. Also, the fact that it has been left to ordinary, every day women - most of us, busy mum’s - is relevant.

But really, I don’t talk about the emotion/mental toll, because I don’t really like complaining about it all. Yes, it sucks. Yes, it’s horrible. But that’s obvious. Also, what is obvious, is there are many women in the world going through horrific situations & I think it’s important to have some perspective on that. Basically, I’d rather have the right to fight for women’s rights than not even have that right at all. So I take the right to be able to fight for women’s rights very, very seriously, and appreciate it immensely.

Still,

I will never, ever, forgive the Australian government for leaving this issue up to a single mother whose start up was destroyed by men who claim to be women to fix this obvious problem. At best, I’ll eventually become indifferent to them. But I sure as shit will never waste a moments energy trying to forgive them.

Similarly, I will never even try to forgive nor respect the Australian Human Rights Commission as long as I live. Not only have they completely abandoned the reality of “woman”, they have ignored their mandate to “humans” and “rights” and thrown most of them under the bus to appease the desires of a very select, self-identified, few. Human rights are not human rights if they require other humans to actually give up their rights, and they have seemingly forgotten that when it comes to “trans”.

And, finally, the Australian media continues to be absolutely dismal in relation to this issue. Everything that makes it to mainstream publication is saturated with language to appease the trans demographic - whatever that is - a demographic that will not be satisfied unless total capitulation occurs. In the sporadic event that the fourth estate does acknowledge the plight of women’s rights & freedom of speech/belief in this country, it’s through gritted teeth, but most of the time they ignore it all completely, not accepting that every single absurd thing women are having to deal with in relation to trans is of great interest to many, many citizens.

I can prove this. I have the receipts. Every time there is something relating to GvT I can publicly speak about, I send out a media release. This case was allowed to be heard in federal court because it was deemed in the public interest. So the public should be informed. 99% of the time, I get zero reposes from journalists. Literally zero. Nothing makes it to publication.

Yet, the one thing that makes me the most proud is that this case is alive because of the people supporting it. No massive donors. No gifts. No ulterior motives. Only people who care about women’s rights, and rights in general. And for that, I will forever be grateful. It makes it all worth it.

I’m very optimistic.

Thank you 🩷

gigglecrowdfund.com

OP posts:
DPotter · 23/06/2025 11:46

Thank you for the update. I have been watching Sall's case for some time and I wish her well, hoping for a quick and successful result

RoastOrMash · 23/06/2025 12:06

Thank you for the reminder on Sall's case, I am UK terf but visit family in Aus so very grateful Sall is standing up for women's rights in Aus. I have planted seeds in her fund previously and will add some more this week.
If you read this Sall, THANK YOU for standing up to this crap :-)

Wetoldyousaurus · 23/06/2025 13:15

Keep going Sal, you can do it. You are extraordinary and you will overcome the bastards eventually. Stay strong, stay focused. NZ women stand behind you 💯.

BingBongSong · 23/06/2025 23:32

Thanks for the thread, OP. I've donated as well.

ScathingAngelAgrona · 24/06/2025 05:37

Donated again. Men trying to punish women for saying no are not trustworthy.

TimeForATerf · 24/06/2025 05:50

I’ve just sown some seeds and given them a good water. Bloody Australian government and media needs to get up to speed with this.

DrJump · 24/06/2025 09:10

Lovely to do a little gardening today.

ArabellaScott · 24/06/2025 09:33

Sall is fantastic. So very clear and insightful. Wishing her all the best.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 24/06/2025 11:56

One of my regular gardens bloomed recently so I have a few seeds left this month and I will plant for Sall Grover. She is amazing and what she's doing for women so worthwhile.

Sending you all love and thoughts from TERF Island (North)

InjuryMyArse · 24/06/2025 12:23

Sall is indeed fab. Thanks for the nudge, op.

KnottyAuty · 27/06/2025 08:31

Just watched this interview and will do some gardening later. Hearing is in August and still $895k dollars to be raised.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ViQ4ZEkKQcU

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ExLibDemEdinburgh · 27/06/2025 09:49

Thanks for this, I’ve done some gardening too.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 27/06/2025 10:34

I'm considering whether my cash flow will permit a second donation in the near future. I have a lot of respect for Sal and she has been treated both ridiculously and appallingly. My guess is that she has received quite a lot of support from the UK; I certainly hope so.

anyolddinosaur · 27/06/2025 10:48

105 aussie dollars is just over £50 at todays rates, 21 dollars around £10. For various reasons it's been an expensive month for me but I will be donating.

ConstructionTime · 03/08/2025 21:19

The court case is livestreamed soon (prob tonight, as in Australia)
https://nitter.poast.org/ShesEqual/status/1951473149633241114#m

https://www.youtube.com/@federalcourtaus

Sall Grover posts the current developments here (or on TwiX):
https://nitter.poast.org/salltweets

Her latest overview posted yesterday:

"January 2022 - received an Australian Human Rights Commission complaint alleging “gender identity discrimination”. To settle it, I had to let a man who claims to be a woman into a female only platform I created, let all men who claim to be women into it, go to “sex & gender education classes”, pay $20,000 to the man who claims to be a woman, apologize & moderate content on the platform for women so that men who claim to be women wouldn’t be offended. I said no.

June 2022 - First Tickle v Giggle case filed in Federal Court.

July 2022 - Case withdrawn by Tickle. I didn’t know why.

December 2022 - Case refiled in Federal Court. I found out on New Year’s eve via an article in The Guardian. I hadn’t even been served yet.

June 2023 - Due to the withdraw & refile, a judge had do decide whether it would go ahead. It was decided yet. It was a case of public interest. After 18 months, the Tickle v Giggle: What is a woman case was officially under way after 18 months.

July 2023 - The Australian Human Rights Commission’s sex discrimination commissioner applied to intervene as “amicus curiae” aka friend of the court. As they had done in the complaint stage, they were arguing that men can be women - even requiring pregnancy protections! It was (up until that point) one of the most insane things I had ever read. Gender ideology in legalese.

April 2024 - Tickle v Giggle hearing in Federal Court. During cross examination, Tickle’s barrister was trying to establish that I had funded my legal costs in part by selling a political satire candle. I had nothing to do with the candle. When faced with an image of it in court, I impulsively giggled.

August 2024 - Tickle v Giggle decision. The judge declared unlawful indirect discrimination, that sex is changeable, men are women & demanded I pay $10,000 in damages for giggling at a candle. The second wrong giggle I had committed, apparently.

October 2024 - Giggle v Tickle appeal is filed. For the first time in 2.5 years, I was able to make a choice. My decision was to fight for truth, reality, women & women only spaces. Men are not women.

May 2025 - Lesbian Action Group granted leave to intervene on the side of biological reality & sexual orientation.

July 2025 - Equality Australia (LGBTQI+ organization) applied to intervene, specifically against Lesbian Action Group. Leave to be decided first thing Monday morning.

Now, it’s August 2025. I was 15 weeks pregnant when this all started in January 2022. Two weeks ago, my daughter turned 3.

It has been a rollercoaster of hell, an experience I wouldn’t wish upon my worst enemy. And if the Sex Discrimination Commission wasn’t interpreting the Sex Discrimination Act as including men as women, we probably wouldn’t be here.

But, here we are. With 1 day to go.

Giggle v Tickle
Full Federal Court appeal

As always, thank you so much for the support. I literally couldn’t do it without you all."

Redshoeblueshoe · 03/08/2025 21:29

It's on live at 1.30 tonight. Is anyone sitting up to watch ? Unfortunately I can't, but hopefully there will be a full write up somewhere.

anyolddinosaur · 03/08/2025 22:15

Donated once and the credit card company made such a fuss over potential fraud it I'm not sure I could go through that again. I'm not rich enough to donate thousands so it all seemed ridiculously excessive.

Hoping it goes well though.

ConstructionTime · 03/08/2025 22:24

@anyolddinosaur

It is not only the money, the point that so many people, mostly women, all over the world are talking about it, thinking about what it means for their daily life, the discussion prompting newspapers and other media to report, all these pieces together make up the support.

The fact that everyone togther managed to slog through all the years and put these topics to the foreground and forcing a discussion, demanding accountability from politicans and lawmakers for their decisions, that's what is helping the most. Just look back at all the cases and which giant steps these have made for women's rights over time.

The most invaluable effect the cases have is that so many people are suddenly interested in our arguments and thinking about what it means for themselves, for their family, their sisters, mothers, wifes, children etc., for society as a whole.

DisappearingGirl · 03/08/2025 22:43

Done some late night TERF island gardening

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