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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Judges advised to reject rape defendants’ chosen pronouns

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hholiday · 22/06/2025 23:01

About time! Archive link here from the Times - sorry if this has been posed elsewhere: archive.is/Q1HVg

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NImumconfused · 23/06/2025 13:48

NumberTheory · 23/06/2025 12:43

There was a high court ruling several years ago (so pre the recent SC case) that found having TiMs in women’s prisons was bad for women but a proportionate means for a legitimate aim. Don’t know if that still stands in the light of the SC case.

I hadn't heard about that one. That's terrible, isn't it, it's basically saying "in the eyes of the justice system, TIM are more important than women". Was that before or after the like of Karen White and Tiffany Scott went to prison?

MyKindLimeCrow · 23/06/2025 17:54

Wetoldyousaurus · 23/06/2025 01:01

Hopefully the colonies follow suit soon.

I don't know if that was a joke or not. Are you talking about the US or any country that had a British flag flying at one point?

I'm in the US and if you were referring to us, that's hilarious.

Its been 9 years since my divorce from a TIM. I'm still unpacking all of it. Very often when telling about the physical abuse aspects I get people telling me to use female pronouns. It creates quite a different story and mental picture of two women with equal strength and with similar body height. Which could be why they insist on using "she".

And I just say this man SA'd me by deception for 6 years with his penis. I get to use whatever pronouns I want.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 23/06/2025 18:29

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 23/06/2025 12:27

Is there a link to the actual guidance?

Its the Equal Treatment Bench Book

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/ETBB-July-2024-May-2025-update.pdf

p195

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/ETBB-July-2024-May-2025-update.pdf

Wetoldyousaurus · 23/06/2025 20:17

MyKindLimeCrow · 23/06/2025 17:54

I don't know if that was a joke or not. Are you talking about the US or any country that had a British flag flying at one point?

I'm in the US and if you were referring to us, that's hilarious.

Its been 9 years since my divorce from a TIM. I'm still unpacking all of it. Very often when telling about the physical abuse aspects I get people telling me to use female pronouns. It creates quite a different story and mental picture of two women with equal strength and with similar body height. Which could be why they insist on using "she".

And I just say this man SA'd me by deception for 6 years with his penis. I get to use whatever pronouns I want.

I’m so sorry that you’ve been subjected to this. I have a very narcissistic dad who might have chosen trans as the route to humiliate and abuse my mother had his chosen brand of Christianity not already given him ample methods, motivations and justifications. So I have some familiarity with this type of man but in a different context. I hope you will find healing eventually and I am so glad that you physically got away. My mother continues to suffer my father’s abuse even in old age and there is nothing I can do about it. This has broken my heart.

My reference to the colonies for me is really those countries in the ‘Commonwealth’ which are particularly captured by trans ideology all the way through their political and civil institutions with very little resistance able to break through. That is New Zealand, Australia and Canada. It’s a play on the Handmaid’s Tale references to the ‘colonies’ where rebellious or infertile women are sent to languish. It’s that sense that women are languishing out here with few tools at our disposal to fight this that I suppose I am trying to convey.

The US feels like its own special case to us outside it, with the deeply divided partisan political situation. I would find that very difficult as I would be torn on so many conflicting positions between the two camps. Trump is not my cup of tea and yet… on gender the republicans are spot on. Thank goodness that you have at least one side of the political spectrum willing and able to expose the dangers and fallacies of trans ideology, even if it does come hand in hand with some other highly destructive ideas about women and our role in society. I continue to fear for the future of the Democratic Party and movement as a whole because they have been so susceptible to GI and other nefarious strains of identity politics.

Sorry for the long post but I really like thinking about how this thing manifests in different countries and across political movements. GC women of the world, unite! :)

NumberTheory · 24/06/2025 04:19

NImumconfused · 23/06/2025 13:48

I hadn't heard about that one. That's terrible, isn't it, it's basically saying "in the eyes of the justice system, TIM are more important than women". Was that before or after the like of Karen White and Tiffany Scott went to prison?

Not sure on all the dates but found this piece, from Fair Play for Women, about it (haven’t read yet, but busy!)
fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prison-policy-judicial-review-ruling-confirms-trans-rights-do-conflict-with-womens-rights/

RedBeech · 24/06/2025 07:21

Long overdue. It should not gave taken this many years and so many bullied, ridiculed women for this staggeringly obvious ruling to be made. Every woman victim who has been 'corrected' in court deserves to be apologised to and compensated.

Where are the transactivists on this thread, screaming transphobia?

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