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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is there any way to explain to people that being against TRA ideology doesn't make me right wing?

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UnlockedXCX · 17/06/2025 16:36

I don't know why it feels so much like admitting to be homophobic or racist. I know it isn't, but I don't quite know how to place that into words.

Is it because what they claim to be transphobic is just reality (even TRAs admit AMABs can't become AFABs and vice versa), whereas homophobia and racism are indeed built upon stereotypes?

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Brefugee · 18/06/2025 09:54

show don't tell?

If anyone calls me right wing i just laugh. I am a very deep deep red socialist and nothing about my life suggests otherwise. I don't particularly care what people who don't know me think about me.

Brefugee · 18/06/2025 10:03

Supporting brexit was not a leftwing or neutral position for example.

AFAIK lots of very left wing organisations, including well-known Trotskyist Jeremy Corbyn, were anti Brexit. Brexit, in many respects was a logical left-wing decision to take.

Forgot to add that on occasion, when being called a far-right/facist i have said "well, you know about Mussoilini and the trains, right?".

People don't seem to understand the difference between right- and left-wing political positions any more. And are totally confused and baffled by the idea that both ideologies can result in crushingly authoritarian regimes (Pinochet vs Stalin for eg).

But over the years the idea that left is good right is bad has stuck so that the insult du jour is to call someone right-wing. It is lazy and devoid of intelligence.

Waitwhat23 · 18/06/2025 10:09

It's also led to the phenomenon we're seen so many times here of 'I didn't know that - it wasn't in the Guardian!'

The tribalism which has led to some people only reading articles in the 'approved' newspapers or refusing to listen to any source which doesn't pass some sort of mad purity test means that a whole cohort of people have made themselves 1. deliberately uninformed and 2. simply unable to understand the concept of plurality in society.

And I don't mean having to agree with everything on any side of the spectrum. I mean just being aware of it. Rather than saying (with fingers in ears) 'it's not in the Guardian - lahlahlahlah!'

IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums · 18/06/2025 10:13

Underthinker · 17/06/2025 17:01

I generally go on the offensive, say I'm against gender ideology precisely because I'm progressive, and ask why they support a sexist and homophobic ideology.

This is exactly what I do. Trans ideology is deeply sexist and homophobic. It relies on outdated gender stereotypes, authoritarianism and on the stifling of free speech. Opposing those have never been right wing.

Waitwhat23 · 18/06/2025 10:21

Waitwhat23 · 18/06/2025 10:09

It's also led to the phenomenon we're seen so many times here of 'I didn't know that - it wasn't in the Guardian!'

The tribalism which has led to some people only reading articles in the 'approved' newspapers or refusing to listen to any source which doesn't pass some sort of mad purity test means that a whole cohort of people have made themselves 1. deliberately uninformed and 2. simply unable to understand the concept of plurality in society.

And I don't mean having to agree with everything on any side of the spectrum. I mean just being aware of it. Rather than saying (with fingers in ears) 'it's not in the Guardian - lahlahlahlah!'

(Tried to edit but just got the spinny wheel of death)

To add, this is also evident in the amount of people who won't read a source which they consider 'unpure' and instead rely on other (approved) people's interpretation of it. JKR's essay for example. The amount of people who will state as a certainty 'it's transphobic' without having actually read it is astounding.

moggly · 18/06/2025 10:24

If they're British you could point out that it was Theresa May's Conservative government who wanted to introduce gender self-id laws, and that most of the grassroots opposition to this came from left-wing women's rights networks.

If they're American try directing them to the activism and writings of Kara Dansky, she's a lifelong liberal who is opposed to trans ideological policy.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 18/06/2025 10:44

If you're talking about your friends they're not, if they're relatives you are allowed to stand up for yourself against their disrespect. These people don't really think you're right-wing anyway. It's a struggle session. If they can shame you enough you'll behave yourself and fall in with their ideology. The question is, what's more important - their empty attempt to insult you or your rights?

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