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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

FWS considering more legal action against Scottish Government

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ItsCoolForCats · 14/06/2025 15:13

As reported by the Guardian: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/14/campaigners-scottish-government-supreme-court-gender-women

And they would like to discussion to move away from toilets to areas such as prisons, rape crisis centres etc.

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ItsCoolForCats · 14/06/2025 15:21

I do think it is really important to try and move the narrative in the media away from toilets.

So many of the gotchas people are trotting out are about toilets. But it's a lot harder to try and justify violent men being out in women's prisons or traumatised women being denied single sex rape crisis provision.

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GallantKumquat · 14/06/2025 19:34

ItsCoolForCats · 14/06/2025 15:21

I do think it is really important to try and move the narrative in the media away from toilets.

So many of the gotchas people are trotting out are about toilets. But it's a lot harder to try and justify violent men being out in women's prisons or traumatised women being denied single sex rape crisis provision.

From a messaging perspective it is a topic for which GC support is least strong. Only a bare majority (55%) think that transwomen should not use the women's toilets and less than a majority (47%) think that transmen should not use the men's. Compare that with almost 80% agreeing that transwomen should not compete in women's sports. This is from the Feb. 2025 yougov poll.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

Where does the British public stand on transgender rights in 2024/25? | YouGov

Scepticism towards transgender rights has grown across the board since 2022

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

NumberTheory · 14/06/2025 22:49

It’s great to see a push to have the more substantive issues addressed (though I don’t think the toilet issue is such a small thing because there are times it’s really important and a gateway to trauma for girls and women, e.g. in school and when abused by predators).

Even before the SC ruling the Scottish Prison policy was legally dodgy and indefensible. That they have dragged out a policy change is cruel, horrendous for all the women involved.

GallantKumquat · 14/06/2025 23:31

An example of why it's hard to change the subject from bathrooms -- the Guardian has an extrodinary piece by Jack Nicholls today.

Jack Nicholls: I was kicked out of a UK toilet

As a trans<woman?> Australian, I was kicked out of a UK toilet. This is not the open-hearted Britain I remember *

I used to be proud of my birthplace for its cosmopolitan tolerance. Visiting now, it feels like stepping back decades

* my note

It's extrodinary because, if you visit his Instagram account (search for: "Jack Nicholls Made in L.A."), he's simply a man with a glam rock haircut and five o'clock shadow in a dress, and that's for a publicity photo. Indeed, in the article he writes as though one is to suppose that he has dressed fem for a special occasion which was wrecked by the genital police.

I was in full makeup and a dress when my female friends took me out dancing at an alternative hub that has always prided itself on being an accepting space.

He's practically a caricature of exactly the sort of man who women wouldn't want using single-sex spaces - one who obviates the designation. And yet, the Guardian has allowed him to present it as though it were a human rights abuse of Trumpian proportions.

The Guardian wants us to take the issue seriously, the great human rights cause of our time. Fair enough. Make your case. Opinions can differ. But what they publish on the topic has increasingly become gibberish or clownish.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 15/06/2025 01:43

GallantKumquat · 14/06/2025 23:31

An example of why it's hard to change the subject from bathrooms -- the Guardian has an extrodinary piece by Jack Nicholls today.

Jack Nicholls: I was kicked out of a UK toilet

As a trans<woman?> Australian, I was kicked out of a UK toilet. This is not the open-hearted Britain I remember *

I used to be proud of my birthplace for its cosmopolitan tolerance. Visiting now, it feels like stepping back decades

* my note

It's extrodinary because, if you visit his Instagram account (search for: "Jack Nicholls Made in L.A."), he's simply a man with a glam rock haircut and five o'clock shadow in a dress, and that's for a publicity photo. Indeed, in the article he writes as though one is to suppose that he has dressed fem for a special occasion which was wrecked by the genital police.

I was in full makeup and a dress when my female friends took me out dancing at an alternative hub that has always prided itself on being an accepting space.

He's practically a caricature of exactly the sort of man who women wouldn't want using single-sex spaces - one who obviates the designation. And yet, the Guardian has allowed him to present it as though it were a human rights abuse of Trumpian proportions.

The Guardian wants us to take the issue seriously, the great human rights cause of our time. Fair enough. Make your case. Opinions can differ. But what they publish on the topic has increasingly become gibberish or clownish.

B...b...but how did the "toilet guard" KNOW he wasn't a woman?

Surely she couldn't tell just by LOOKING at him? I mean we know that's impossible! No one can tell.

I'm just utterly BAFFLED by this story. Was she a witch? X Ray vision perhaps?
Amazing!

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