Edinburgh’s Women’s Aid - funding removal

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Call to fund support for trans victims of domestic abuse

https://www.thetimes.com/article/d2a54438-3fb4-4414-a077-47ccb0b9b402?shareToken=4985a087fbd86864d84da5c4e5e5b424

Oh it's him again. Nasty misogynist.

Apologies, my title is a bit mis-leading. The calls to remove funding were declined, and EWA provides single-sex services.
it would be good move to provide seperate services for males who’ve suffered sexual assault or domestic violence, but I’m not surprised there is none. Since when have trans-identifying males or non-binary males done anything for their own cause if it doesn’t take away things from women?

If trans people need domestic abuse services they are free to campaign for them and secure funding and have bake sales and volunteer as women did for women. What they can’t have is women’s stuff

There are services trans identifying males can access

EWA does, however, provide individual counselling and has single-person flats available for trans-identifying people.

they just don’t get to frolic among the traumatised women

[Lisa Mackenzie said] “We saw a Green councillor seek to defund Edinburgh Women’s Aid because they had stated clearly that they do not allow trans identified males to use their women-only services.”

yes, yes we did. They have services men can use, but it’s access to the women only things and the women using them that these people want

As we know from bitter experience, the rape crisis services are falling over themselves to aid trans identified victims and to throw women gleefully to the wolves so this will be a lot of nonsense. There are services gagging to not just provide but to do so with flags, pandering and the anti-woman catechism sung twice daily at mass.

This will mean simply that this man and other men are now finally being told that they cannot have all the services and destroy the women-only one.

And good. We'll all survive him having a pout.

It's amazing to me that in the 60s and 70s women set-up their own rape crisis support centres yet trans people just demand and expect delivery.

We're going to see a lot of this performed perception that if they don't have everything then they have nothing.

It's going to be a case of pointing out over and over again, this is nonsense, this is as simply untrue as claiming to have changed sex.

And they were thrilled for women to actually have nothing, real nothing. That was fine.

Like another poster I’m just repeating the article said this as it seems they have buried it far down in the piece

EWA does, however, provide individual counselling and has single-person flats available for trans-identifying people.
they just don’t get to spend time among the traumatised women

Not this creep again.

'a freedom of information (FoI) request to the council has shown that it has not carried out any research into the feasibility of funding or providing trans-inclusive or men-only services.
Staniforth expressed “surprise” at the lack of action on this issue'

Why doesn't he get off his arse and do it, then?

That’s a very binary looking person.

Ugh he's a horrible misogynistic man. They already have provision for trans identifed males and support, particularly as the numbers are so small. The vast vast majority of the users of this service are women and they need the support away from men.

At a guess, because answers and provision isn't meeting his needs, and enacting an illusion of exclusion, rejection, anger and blame/victimhood to an audience is?

They need to tell this misogynist prick to fuck off, citing the Supreme Court. They already provide some services to these men.

Why don't men in general - not just trans-identifying men - get their act together to organise men's refuges, men's crisis centres, etc.?

The extent to which men have appropriated women's services - which often started out without any funding except what women could scrape together themselves, not only without any support but often with outright hostility - is very obvious in Ireland.

I was shocked when I found out many years ago that my local rape crisis centre welcomes male clients - not trans-identifying men, just men. Many of them are probably survivors of sexual abuse in childhood, rather than survivors of rape in adulthood, and of course they deserve support and care - possibly specific support as we are always told that child sexual abuse is harder for men to talk about.

But did they try to set up a rape crisis centre for men, or refuges for men experiencing abuse? No, of course not, why bother, when women have already done all the hard work at a time when it was difficult and dangerous, and now you can accuse them of unlawful discrimination, and try to have their funding cut off, if they refuse male clients.

It's about wanting everything that women have, everything we have fought for, anything we can put our label on, anything we can claim as ours...
And it's not just a trans thing.

It isn't, you're absolutely right.

It seems to have stopped the past few years (or maybe I haven't read around the wider board so much) but I remember the never ending men turning up to demand how dare women set up a 'mumsnet' when they had not provided a 'dadsnet' first.

When they were shown to that board, they normally shut up and left quite quickly, they did not actually want to use the board at all, and not enough men have ever wanted to in order to make it a busy and active board. Its one of the many core beliefs of misogyny, that women are not entitled to anything much and certainly not to have anything for themselves until they have first provided for men. But it's also I think in part the mental load thing. No need to do that because someone else will think of it and sort it out. And the 'nulla terra' thing, that anything currently being used by women for women is not being used by anyone of importance or doing anything of importance and therefore it's ground men can take and build on to serve them and then it's doing something worthwhile. The unconscious bias of who/what matters. And then there's the incel thinking and values. It all seems entangled.