Women’s Rights Network Scotland has imploded

[rogue2025]

Hearing all sorts about things kicking off at WRNS.

Women being accused of ‘security breeches’.

Scores of activist women chucked out with no warning or right to reply.

It seems that the Scotland admins don’t want women talking to each other without permission.

So much for being a ‘membership’ organisation.

Why do so many feminist organisations end up in power trips like this?

The gender fight is hard enough without ‘mean girls’ turning on other women.

Power really does corrupt.

What do you mean by anti-trans?

Women who believe that you can’t change sex not wanting biological men in single sex spaces?

I’ve not read everything yet so this might have been pointed out already. You’ve forgotten to mention the reason WRN Scotland decided to chuck us all out - some internal WRN business was shared in the new group on at least 2 occasions. Not just because we were in another group.

As I said, you're making various claims that others are disputing. It's hearsay.

Humans cannot change sex. The WRN chat did state this. Also that sex based rights were worth protecting.

That's not anti trans but perhaps that's why the tras black and white thinking has caused issues in the first place. Stating biological fact is not hateful.

Oof, I just saw after you said that!!!

I liked being in the Scottish group, it's good to see the bigger picture/chat with people from other parts of Scotland. Splitting it into regional groups without consultation then closing the main group was already annoying a lot of people. To then follow it up with mass expulsion of women just for having the temerity to set up a non-WRN group where they could chat freely is ridiculous.

I saw this discussion and none of what you’re saying is true. You’re vastly exaggerating. Please stop it.

I just know what my Glasgow friend shared - I'm in an English group.

That didn't happen.
Why are you lying?
You got the huff because no one there agrees with surrogacy, that's it.

Ok. And I’m putting you right. It was the breaches that were the problem, not just that there was another group.

@TigerLily40 You did some good work with the women's march. I'm sorry that your relationship with WRN has ended badly. Not every type of women's group works well for every woman. I genuinely hope that you find one that suits your talents.

I was in the chat too @TigerLily40 I can say there was not constant homophobic or anti trans stuff in it.

There are women who have autistic children who are concerned re indoctrination in schools. There are women who are lesbians and know what a woman is on a dating site or in real life.

What was the internal stuff? At a loss here. You can DM .

I agree, that's my experience, also

That’s what we thought too. Until it wasn’t.

Erm, what good work?
Nagging for screenshots, the thread is still there if you want to check.
It was me that had them, and had Sarah Jane Baker come for me on social media.
She did very little, and is now lying and throwing us all under the bus and I don't appreciate it.

I find this whole thread very distasteful.
WRN has been a huge force for good.
This washing of maybe just allegedly very slightly dingy laundry in public is very distasteful

Yep, I agree. I'm out

The infighting within these groups is tiresome and is why I bowed out a long time ago.

The WRN started as an offshoot of the Scottish Feminist Network. The woman who started the SFN was effectively kicked out by those running the show now. She then started the WRN with Heather Binning, amongst others. I would hazard a guess that the woman who was in the new chat and reported back to the WRN admins is probably the same woman who reported back to the SFN creator when it all kicked off a few years ago.

There was so much bitching and back stabbing at "the top". And a lot of rules to abide by. If your face didn't fit then you were out.

It doesn't surprise me to hear this about the WFN sadly and my previous experiences with some of the women involved in both networks is why I avoid these groups now. Too much drama that some seem to relish.

That isn't there now. Just says:

A grassroots movement of women working together on behalf of women and girls [email protected]

womensrights.network Joined February 2022

Groups tend to have these kind of problems. The suggestion that women's groups tend to them more is interesting. I wonder if there's any truth to that? And if so, why that might be.

Women's groups have always fallen into internal feuding. Look at the various factions amongst the suffragettes, and suffragists. Look at any history of second wave or third wave feminism.

Women are human. This means they are going to scramble for status, undermine other people, argue etc.

Just do what always been done. Create a separate group if needed, or resolve it somehow. Just keep moving forward. Because even with a lot of horrible bitching women's rights have still kept advancing.

Don't pretend this discredits anything. Of course there are going to be daft feuds. The thing is however absurd our internal arguments are the TAs are going to be way way worse. They end up arguing over whether obvious horrific predators are "trans" or not.

No. It means the unpaid volunteers running it have legal protection and their homes aren't at risk if activists go after them. It probably also helps in terms of logistics such as hiring venues

Thanks for the clarification

Other than one thread on Twitter/X started by a TRA, I can't see anything online about this so-called implosion. Must be a very quiet one, if it's happened.