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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Thoughts on what I’m writing?

83 replies

Historyguy · 10/06/2025 00:03

I am trying to write a novel but it’s pissing off two women I know.

The problem they have is my villain, Abigail Williams (she’s a real person who was used in the Crucible, but given the fact that she really did exist, she’s fair game).

She will be 40 because the novel is set in 1720, as she was only 11 or 12 in the real witch trials.

At this point, the money she stole will have gotten her far in life and now she’s a wealthy widow of a merchant in Barbados.

She continues to do what she did as a child, create moral panics and mass hysteria to get innocents killed (now they are her enemies she’s framing as pirates).

her greatest nemesis is a fictional daughter of Sarah Osborne that I invented. Abigail will try to get her hung for piracy.

Thoughts?

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titchy · 10/06/2025 21:12

Historyguy · 10/06/2025 19:32

Shiuld I just not write this?

it’s clearly getting a lot of people ticked off

Dude - do what you want. You don’t need anyone’s permission. If it’s crap you won’t get a publisher/sales. If it’s good - great. If it’s a load of sexist twaddle and gets you a fuckton of criticism - own it.

Why are you even posting here?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 10/06/2025 21:13

‘Give me feedback on my book idea’

’No, not that feedback’

PlasticAcrobat · 11/06/2025 08:59

Historyguy · 10/06/2025 19:32

Shiuld I just not write this?

it’s clearly getting a lot of people ticked off

This is so weird. Just write the blimmin book!

If the characterisation is bad and sexist it will tick feminists off. If it isn't, it won't, especially if no one reads it, which is the fate of most novels.

DrJump · 11/06/2025 10:30

WinterTrees · 10/06/2025 21:12

Also worth bearing in mind that you can't copyright an idea so don't be surprised if one of the clever women you're tapping for insight here takes this premise and writes a subtle, nuanced, multi-layered story about what became of Abigail Williams.

Oh I would read that!

Igmum · 11/06/2025 21:28

WagnersFourthSymphony · 10/06/2025 01:00

I dunno. Maybe my view is skewed by similar asymmetric relationships I knew were going on at the time, but I always saw it as a play written from the man's point of view and thought maybe a teenage kid got carried away and maybe John Proctor wasn't as innocent as all that.

This. The Crucible is very male. Teenage girls are evil and it’s the fine upstanding family men and a beloved white haired old lady who bear the brunt. It doesn’t even touch on witch trials as a means of controlling women. I’d be concerned that your narrative simply extends this patriarchal re-reading to ‘bad girls grow into bad women’. It isn’t far from that to misogyny. Yes you are in danger of crossing this line.

WarriorN · 11/06/2025 21:45

<books tickets to see the crucible in order to gain context for a thread on mumsnet>

CautiousLurker01 · 11/06/2025 22:15

WarriorN · 11/06/2025 21:45

<books tickets to see the crucible in order to gain context for a thread on mumsnet>

Me too!

Grammarnut · 11/06/2025 22:43

I don't see that Abigail is vindictive, only manipulated by adults around her who have various axes to grind and are using a witchcraft panic to grind them. I don't see why she would re-enact a part which she played as a child. Unless you are depicting her as a psychopath - a possible interpretation from what Miller did, not historical afaik - which is fine if that's what you want to do.
I don't get the idea at all that making a woman an unpleasant villain is misogynistic. Saying it is appears to me of the same ilk as saying all ethnic minorities (except one, I suspect) must always be portrayed as the good guys. It is misogynistic to suggest women cannot be unpleasant villains IMHO (I have one who is murderous - is that misogynistic?).
Ignore your friends. Write what you want to write - it sounds fun.

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