Employment tribunal UCU vs Adult Human Female makers lost?

[alsoFanOfNaomi]

According to UCU, the case has been comprehensively decided in favour of UCU:
https://www.ucu.org.uk/article/14047/Employment-Tribunal-rejects-claims-University-and-College-Union-discriminated-against-members-on-grounds-of-their-gender-critical-beliefs
However, I can't find anything confirming this; in particular, the judgement does not yet seem to be out at https://www.gov.uk/employment-tribunal-decisions unless I'm missing it.

Anyone know more? Disappointing, if so, though I think we did wonder about whether the legal basis (what exactly constitutes harrassment/discrimination from one's union?) would fly.

Link to earlier thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5294574-ucu-being-taken-to-tribunal-over-discrimination-for-gc-views
and to Tribunal Tweets:
https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adult-human-female-filmmakers-vs

Strange. Do they get advance notice of the result before it’s published maybe?

The ET site has nothing from June, so maybe the publication is just behind at the moment. Does seem odd though.

Tribunal decisions (in my experience, not employment Tribunals) appear online AFTER they have been sent direct to the parties. Sometimes some time after.

I am not saying UCU are lying, but - unbelieveably - we are in a position where the nonsense from one side of this #nodebate is no insane that I would not be surprised if the UCU statement is utter nonsense / made up.

Both AHFdoco and deeinsidefilm are quite active on twitter, but nothing there since 30/5 when they were "anxiously awaiting" the judgement. At the least, it will be interesting to read the judgement in due course and see where it falls on a spectrum from "they were bigots, quite right to oppose them" to "what you did was appalling, UCU, but on a technicality you win". Plus of course, to hear whether it's thought to be appealable.

AHFdoco just posted this on X

We’ve received the tribunal's judgment & are very surprised & disappointed that our claims were dismissed. Together with our legal team we are considering carefully whether to pursue an appeal. In the meantime we would like once again to thank everyone who has supported us so far

That's really disappointing. UCU's gloating just shows how pathetic they are though.

That's very disappointing and - having observed much of the case - very surprising that it's been dismissed.

Shovels at the ready for appeal gardening.

Heaven forbid that a trades union should support free speech, eh? Perhaps book-burning would be more to their taste? 🙄

Employment Tribunal rejects claims University and College Union discriminated against members on grounds of their gender critical beliefs
https://www.ucu.org.uk/article/14047/Employment-Tribunal-rejects-claims-University-and-College-Union-discriminated-against-members-on-grounds-of-their-gender-critical-beliefs

Yeah, that's the same link that's in the OP...

Rats. Was it because they weren’t members of UCU Edinburgh?

Sorry got distracted by the image of the big crown!

Has there been any clarification as to why the case was dismissed?

I think it was dismissed because the UCU members were legitimately protesting.

I don't agree they were, but I think that's the reasoning.

TRAs on bluesky are sharing a link to the judgment in a google drive but I don't want to click on it in case they are collecting personal info.

bsky.app/profile/katymontgomerie.com/post/3lr6h7mueik2q

Haven't read in closely but seems although the court ruled the film as legitimately worrimg and that the hate filled talk alk by Katy Montgomery was not a good comparator

Yes, I wouldn’t click on any TRA google link. It will be published soon I imagine. I’m interested to read it. I thought (and was observing live) that the protests were presented in quite a disingenuous way by the UCU rep.

Yes, I wouldn’t click on any TRA google link

This is a point I wouldn't have thought of. But knowing what loons some of these fanbois can be...

UCU won, yes. Universities are now legally permitted to refuse to show named film in future on campus. Yes gender critical beliefs are "protected" but people will gender critical beliefs are not "discriminated" against in this instance.

The link above is just the tribunal document shared publicly on a Google drive (I clicked it to test). LGBT people are not able to "steal your personal details" if you click on it.

Certainly a giant step for freedom of speech.

Clearly you know nothing about data harvesting via Google Doc links and basic security.

It's nothing to do with it being TRAs specifically providing a link, and everything to do with learning about protection of personal data, online safety and not providing third parties with your information unwittingly.

Am I right in thinking that the grounds for the claim was unlawful discrimination against members on the basis of their belief?

Are they?

The Union and the University are different organisations, and the Union were protesting the film, not providing space for the film to be shown.

I don't think the Union have the legal power to prevent the film being shown by a third party, but I also don't think that was part of the tribunal.