Munroe Bergdorf in the Observer

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I was intending to read this article, in the spirit of keeping an open and non-judgemental mind, but couldn’t get past the line ‘On 16 April the UK Supreme Court ruled that the legal definition of “sex” is based on biological sex assigned at birth’.

Fuck’s sake. Can they genuinely not help themselves, or are they deliberately trolling people?

https://observer.co.uk/news/profile/article/munroe-bergdorf-meets-the-momentObserver

Apologies for being a bit flippant - he sounds like a piece of work.

I will have to do a bit of reading

Given what you have said, why would the Observer choose to celebrate him?

Did have to (wryly) laugh at the vagueness of this sentence in that article -

'In February 2018, Bergdorf resigned as an LGBT adviser to the Labour party over some resurfaced tweets from 2010 that some found offensive.'

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5717376/labour-lgbt-munroe-bergdorf-homophobic-tweets-apology/

The tweets which 'some found offensive' were wildly homophobic.

Those and other comments Bergdorf has made are in this image

cor blimey I’d forgotten about that article. He made a tweet demanding that women do feminism his way and they ignored him

Ultimately, this demonstrated to me a lack of interest about what we as trans people go through emotionally

he really is a massive, narcissistic wally isn’t he?

Indeed. It amazes me that some people get through life without knowing such basic facts.

Are these people suddenly unaware of the 12 week scan done by the NHS where the sex of the baby is observed? Or how IVF sex selection of embryos works? Or missed the conversation with a pregnant friend where she divulged the sex of her baby?

It’s quite astounding.

I think many trans people (not all, obviously) don't have children, don't want them and have very little interest in children, babies or pregnancy; they are too wrapped up in trying to sort out their own lives.

No apologies needed - I just wanted to give some background.

Obviously where the Observer is concerned, the power of the trans still overrides normal social standards of behaviour. Imagine celebrating and platforming a person with his shady past.

This gives a bit more detail.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/munroe-bergdorf-the-nspcc-and-the-failure-of-the-media/

We did IVF to have our last baby. Because we were in our 40s we also did PGD, to test for chromosomal abnormalities. At this time, the sex of the potential baby was determined, from a 3 day blastocyst. When I got pregnant after transfer, I already knew I was having a girl.

All the plastic surgery.
All the mansplaning what it is to be woman.
All the controversies.
All the naked photos with meat and two veg on display.

Yet this bloke was made UN Women's UK Champion.

Arseholes.

"I tweeted a reminder..."

Shut up! Quiet now, everybody listen to MEEEE!

🐼 or 🐨!!

These people are very probably totally unaware of such things as they don’t directly concern them and are not in any way useful to them, as well as having a pretty poor grasp of biology and, indeed, reality.

Too wrapped up in themselves and their me, me, me attitude more like.

Oh, dear god, if I wore a ‘fluffy cardigan’ by Stella McCartney I would one able to fit through the doors on the bus.

How very far these people are from real life.

There seems to be quite a lot of digital post doing the heavy lifting in the images accompanying the article

Good to see that the Observer managed to mention all of Munroe's books, the film, the film release date, the book price et al

@Catiette bit of an odd comment - given that by all accounts Imane Khelif really was one of the very few people to have sex assigned at birth incorrectly, given the DSD that they allegedly have. They would however have been obviously male at puberty.

Appropriating this very rare and complex experience to benefit people like Bergdorf who had a bogstandard male sex and developed on a normal pathway is one of the more upsetting things about this movement.

Sex isn't ASSIGNED at all, not at ANY point. It just is.

I believe the writer Ellen E Jones did a Screenshots podcast with Mark Kermode about how great it is that sex work isn't shown in films as grim anymore but as a fab positive choice. I haven't been able to bring myself to listen, despite having been a fan of the show previously. So sorry if I have misrepresented them, although I think there was a thread on here angry and dismayed about it too.

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Why would the observer choose to fawn and trip over themselves to put any of these attention seeking men on a pedestal? Bergdorfs CV is bad but it's not the worst out of the usual suspects that newspapers have on speed dial for their 'we are so oppressed' rent-a-quote when it's RainbobbinsSharkJumpedMonth. There's a number of individuals who had they not had the correct characteristic would have been cancelled a long time ago if they were being treated equally. Instead there is a free pass for a questionable resume. It's definitely a consistent theme.

Everyone of the Rent A Quotes can't do an interview without shouting Me and I a lot. They are the only pronouns they need and use.

and is DNA the only characteristic (or even the most important charactetistc) we allow a person.

No. It's only one aspect of all the many many wonderful things that make up a human being.

That does not mean, however, that ones biological sex somehow becomes a matter of opinion, taste or self-assigned, or that it has no relevance or consequence to how one experiences life.

It was classic. ISTR it came out the day of an early WPUK meeting in London and was passed around at the MN pre- meeting meetup.

sex cannot be assigned before birth can it? Can we assign any characteristics to a foetus? Sex can be assumed prior to birth of course. But do we take DNA from a foetus? If so, I didn't know that

It’s hard to think of an adequate response to this display of stupidity and ignorance, even more so on a site called Mumsnet.

Ha yes, and the self-satisfied "look how brave I am to challenge you hateful bigots" at the end. "Sure, bro" as my teens would say.

Sorry for lack of response; was out and offline nearly all yesterday. I see I don't really need to respond to That Post

I'd forgotten just how vile those tweets were

He was sacked by the NSPCC for breached safeguarding rules - inviting children to contact him privately and posing for sexualised pictures but such was a the power of the trans lobby, the BBC and others intervened on his behalf and the NSPCC ended up apologising.

Astounding.