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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS chiefs forced to rip up trans guidance - Telegraph

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akkakk · 06/06/2025 10:13

NHS chiefs have been forced to rip up their pro-trans guidance after it was rendered illegal by the Supreme Court ruling.
The NHS Confederation, which represents trusts, has quietly withdrawn guidance telling hospitals that they should allow trans people to use their chosen toilets and changing rooms.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/06/05/nhs-chiefs-forced-to-rip-up-trans-guidance/

http://archive.today/Fegs1

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nauticant · 06/06/2025 10:16

What a way to spoil the weekend of the top team at NHS Fife!

CompleteGinasaur · 06/06/2025 10:20

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of misogynistic hypocrites.😂💝🎉🎈🎉

ArabellaScott · 06/06/2025 10:37

Good, good.

PrawnofthePatriarchy · 06/06/2025 10:43

Good news.

sashh · 06/06/2025 10:51

I feel things are on the turn, and not before time.

nauticant · 06/06/2025 10:53

sashh · 06/06/2025 10:51

I feel things are on the turn, and not before time.

How can you say that when you don't have a PhD?

akkakk · 06/06/2025 10:54

The journey seems to be similar to traversing a mountain range - a long steep climb to the top covers various summits on the way (Forstater / Supreme Court and other smaller achievements) - the summit was reached with the categorical blunt statement of biological fact from the Supreme Court, but looking forward from there there is still a journey down, and across the foothills before reaching the sunny grasslands beyond

...and that journey down / the foothills will still have upward challenges - smaller peaks of their own, and I feel that this may be another small peak - the NHS is at the heart of so much in this debate:

  • It should be the medical / biological source of truth
  • It is where decisions are made to give hormones / surgery to children and others with life-changing impact
  • It is a job setting where many staff have to get changed - with the implications we have seen there
  • Hospitals and surgeries are places of vulnerability / nudity / intimate care / etc. where it is vital that a correct understanding of sex underpins decisions.
  • It is all-pervasive through our society and land
This is a major step in the right direction, a pulling out of the foundation blocks under the inaccurate and dangerous approach that has been taken in the past - and while there is no substitute yet, the gap left can only be filled in one way and that is positive. The very removal of this advice provides more ammunition to those challenging inaccurate decisions.

So, we are not there yet, but I feel it is probably a big step forwards - the first big change in the NHS post the SC judgement.

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 06/06/2025 12:22

This is great news! NHS confed are hugely influential and they clearly didn’t want to withdraw it but have grudgingly understood they have no choice

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 06/06/2025 12:26

Terrible shame 😆

Igmum · 06/06/2025 12:36

nauticant · 06/06/2025 10:53

How can you say that when you don't have a PhD?

I have a PhD - can I say it? Please?

nauticant · 06/06/2025 13:29

Of course. Once you've established your credentials showing you hold the right sort of views.

RedNine · 06/06/2025 15:07

This a very nice start to my weekend, thank you.

borntobequiet · 06/06/2025 15:18

Very good news, and about time too.

GreenAllOver · 06/06/2025 15:18

NHS Confederation is influential, but it doesn’t provide statutory guidance. Until the Dept of Health does a sweep of its own guidance to remove self ID, I suspect what the Confed says won’t make that much difference, unfortunately.

Having spent some time looking at the history of the Dept of Health eliminating mixed sex accommodation guidance, this is not a small job. Every piece of guidance on equality and human rights needs to be reviewed, as does anything on patient safety and dignity, and (of course) on eliminating mixed sex accommodation. There’s probably more I haven’t spotted.

RayonSunrise · 06/06/2025 15:23

Brilliant news. Having the SC decision rippling through the civil and public services is an excellent start.

akkakk · 06/06/2025 16:38

GreenAllOver · 06/06/2025 15:18

NHS Confederation is influential, but it doesn’t provide statutory guidance. Until the Dept of Health does a sweep of its own guidance to remove self ID, I suspect what the Confed says won’t make that much difference, unfortunately.

Having spent some time looking at the history of the Dept of Health eliminating mixed sex accommodation guidance, this is not a small job. Every piece of guidance on equality and human rights needs to be reviewed, as does anything on patient safety and dignity, and (of course) on eliminating mixed sex accommodation. There’s probably more I haven’t spotted.

Absolutely agree - a long way still to go...
but I do think there is significance in the first substantive and influential part of the NHS to make changes as a result of the judgement where clearly they didn't want to - it puts pressure on other areas to do the same...

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/06/2025 09:46

RayonSunrise · 06/06/2025 15:23

Brilliant news. Having the SC decision rippling through the civil and public services is an excellent start.

Definitely!

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