The 12 Traits of Incels

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14782697/core-traits-INCELS-Scientists-identify.html

A new study has shed light on incels - and exactly why some men are more likely to become women-hating recluses.
Researchers from Swansea University and the University of Texas at Austin surveyed 561 incels from the UK and the US.

Some of these are no surprise. Others are for me. They are worth reflecting on, especially here on MN.

The 12 traits of incels

1. Mental health - More than a third have depression or anxiety while 37% have daily suicidal thoughts
2. Bullying - Many have a history of abuse while 86% have been bullied
3. Autistic traits - Over a third meet the threshold to be referred for clinical autism assessment
4. Loneliness - 48% select highest possible option when asked to rate their loneliness
5. Living alone - 45% live with parents or grandparents while 25% live alone
6. Age - Average age of 26
7. Belief in 'black pill' ideology - Two third believe in 80/20 rule - 80% of women are attracted to 20% of men
8. Fear of feminism - Belief that feminists are the biggest threat to their community
9. Political beliefs - Most are politically 'centre-left' and share left-wing views on homosexuality, corporate profits, and social benefits
10. Employment - 42% in full-time employment, 16% in education
11. Middle-class background - 40% are middle-class, 21% are lower-middle class
12. Ethnically diverse - 58% are white

I wonder why women who have similar life experiences don’t turn into haters of the opposite sex.

I also wonder why they haven’t included things like’s misogynistic attitudes

The study on which that article is based has more holes than a sieve. Don't think I can be bothered to waste my time reading any more of it or explaining everything that's wrong with it.

Lots of women absolutely despise men.

They just don't go doing radical things like incels do. I would argue because women tend to be less violent in general.

The one trait that surprised me, when I found out about it recently, was the ethnically diverse one. I’m not sure why I was surprised because the other 11 traits are found in all ethnic backgrounds.

Still, it would be interesting to drill down further into the different ethnicities.

I don’t despise men but I have got more fed up with men in general as I’ve got older. But that is absolutely nothing to do with whether men in general are attracted to me or willing to shag me. I think some women do hate men, but the incel phenomenon is about being angry about being rejected by women, and developing a view that women should serve men sexually which I think is very different from the vast majority of man-hating women (or women who are just over men/can’t be arsed).

Three surprises me inasmuch as I would have said the number to be 100%… at least that was my assumption.

Can someone link to the actual scientific article?

Surprised availability and access to porn isn’t there.

I'm surprised that one of the traits is holding left wing views .....

Women hate the male abuse tactics. Domestic violence, rape/sexial assault, seeking dominance over women.

Men hate that women won’t act in service of them.

These are not the same thing.

Actually you might find you’d be surprised if they analysed the traits of female TRAs.

Same, I'd have thought they would swing the other way!

I take issue when they go on about a study but won't tell you where to find the actual study itself. I would like to know how they found them, where did they find them, did the men know they were being classified as incels, were they given any kind of gift for participating.

They regard themselves as an oppressed group that deserves attention and recognition from society?

If you're on the right, you're less likely to believe groups are entitled to any help, so perhaps you're less likely to identify into such a one.

Just a speculation.

Appears to be this one, though I haven’t read it yet.

Title doesn’t really match the Daily Mail article but number of participants etc. does.

I’m not surprised by this. For men, liberalism means sexual liberalism. The men on the right prefer to “own” their women. Men on the left want free access to them

Sooooo 40% are unemployed? Is that how to read it? Which means they’re either employed or unemployed - how could you say that’s a trait?

When I get bored I sometimes surf vaguely incelly subreddits.

Lots of posts on there full of nostalgia about the days when a man could do a fair day's work for a fair day's pay and support a family and have an obedient wife at home. Very much like the United States of the 50s through to the 80s. A male working-class dream. So yes, pretty centre-left.

There's a lot of dislike among incel men for 'chads' ie men who get as much sex as they like, though much of that is due to envy.

It's not really like the metro libertarian left of thouples, ethical non-monogamy, situationships and all those things that the Guardian likes to say is more authentic than the traditional family unit.

No, less than 18% are unemployed. The actual research paper shows the full break down:
Full-time employment 238 (42.4%)
Full-time education 92 (16.4%)
Part-time employment 71 (12.7%)
Part-time education 27 (4.8%)
Employment-education mix 33 (5.9%)
None 100 (17.8%)

But it’s important to note that these are just demographics of the participant group. It’s not a random group so the percentages can’t be extrapolated to the whole incel population.

I read most of the study and IMO it seems to be legit in terms of methods and structure and ethical concerns.

When I've read incel type subs or forums there is just such a high number of them who seem to have no social skills at all when it comes to women. And this could be because they tend to be on the autism scale and were bullied as children as this study states.

I really believe that if they were given mental health support, including intense support for their autism, they might be able to turn some things around. The study didn't ask them if they are autistic, it used a well known screening scale used to determine whether a person needs to have a full blown autism assessment.

It could be that many of them don't know that they are on the spectrum which is really sad.

When you see their descriptions of how they try to interact with women, it is painfully obvious that they have no idea that they are unwittingly setting off women's internal safety alarms.

There was a sub for incels who were willing to accept help and actually trying to get better. The other thing I noticed is that most of them think that their face is repulsive. They are very obsessed with facial structure, and some of them spend hours on plastic surgery websites looking at the features that supposedly make someone handsome and then comparing their faces to that.

They seem to have a kind of facial anorexia. I even asked a couple of them if they wouldn't mind sending me a photo of themselves. I explained that I'm old enough to be their mother and I work in mental health and want to help them, not trying to hit on them. These guys were above average looking. Just cute normal looking young men.

I would tell them there is nothing wrong with you, you look like a normal man your age and you are not unattractive.

I think they get bullied and rejected because of their autism traits and they don't realize that is why. I think that's part of not seeing social cues maybe. They assume it is because of their looks, not because humans are for the most part assholes who treat "unusual" people who don't fit in like crap.

And how this compares to the population so 58% white out of how many white men? Or ami reading it incorrectly

The Daily Mail is right wing. I wouldn't be surprised if they just snuck that in on their own out of spite to have a bash at the left.

I'm sick right now and so my brain isn't 100% but that part of the actual study was odd. It seemed to contradict itself. Also I would ask whose idea of left wing and right wing are they using? It was part men in the UK and part men in the US.

And I could be wrong but my understanding is that on average the UK and western Europe's middle is a lot more to the left than the US's political middle. As in the average right wing American is very much further to the right than an average right wing person in the UK and western Europe. I don't think they said how they determined that or if it was self identified.

What it means to be "left" or "right" has become very confused everywhere though.

A libertarian who believes in free expression, diversity and free love is "left", whereas one who believes in free markets, free speech and limited state help is "right".

Someone who believes in wealth equality and the state providing economic security is "left" but if the same person is a nationalist they're "right".

Incels being left-wing is not a surprise and has been said before.

The clue should be in the high amount of them unemployed, receiving benefits from the state and expecting people working to pay more in taxes to fund their unemployment?

They abhor success and believe that everything be shared (like wealth and women) without contributing anything themselves. They love communism, but fail to see the core belief that everyone should contribute.