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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
CassOle · 04/06/2025 15:01

It's not bloody hard! No males on wards for females!

Lovelyview · 04/06/2025 15:03

Hopefully JK Rowling's sue the bastards fund will focus some minds. If I were in charge of any of these trusts I would be rewriting those policies with a deadline of end of today with emergency board approval tomorrow,

Lovelyview · 04/06/2025 15:06

Also well done to that women's rights group which I assume is the Mumsnet nhs policy group. (sorry don't have the link to hand)

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 04/06/2025 16:07

Yes, who are they? Can’t read the banners.

Situation within the NHS is an absolute disgrace…

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 04/06/2025 16:12

Lovelyview · 04/06/2025 15:06

Also well done to that women's rights group which I assume is the Mumsnet nhs policy group. (sorry don't have the link to hand)

It is us! Link below to @KnottyAuty’s audit thread. Not sure who the women in the photo are - I think it may just be a general “women’s rights protest photo”.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5322494-nhs-policy-audit-working-party-thread-2

Igneococcus · 04/06/2025 16:13

Excellent work.

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GreenFriedTomato · 04/06/2025 17:04

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 04/06/2025 16:12

It is us! Link below to @KnottyAuty’s audit thread. Not sure who the women in the photo are - I think it may just be a general “women’s rights protest photo”.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5322494-nhs-policy-audit-working-party-thread-2

Edited

Brilliant. Well done!

BiologicalRobot · 04/06/2025 17:19

Well done to everyone involved, and a big heartfelt thank you.

I wonder what Wes Streeting thinks of mentally ill and (usually) violent men being placed with mentally ill and very vulnerable women? Anyone tweeted him a link?

TheOtherRaven · 04/06/2025 17:29

Will the govt get a bloody grip on the NHS please?

Or announce that laws are now just something you follow if you agree and feel like it. Because I can think of a few I can't really be buggered with.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 04/06/2025 17:43

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 04/06/2025 16:12

It is us! Link below to @KnottyAuty’s audit thread. Not sure who the women in the photo are - I think it may just be a general “women’s rights protest photo”.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5322494-nhs-policy-audit-working-party-thread-2

Edited

Thank you!

Bloody hell this should be front page news everywhere. How the fuck can this be happening?!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/06/2025 17:49

Horrifying. The only thing I can say that's reassuring is that Broadmoor has no female patients. Don't know about Ashworth, Rampton or Carstairs, which are the other high security psychiatric hospitals in the UK.

SmallGoddess · 04/06/2025 17:55

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 04/06/2025 17:49

Horrifying. The only thing I can say that's reassuring is that Broadmoor has no female patients. Don't know about Ashworth, Rampton or Carstairs, which are the other high security psychiatric hospitals in the UK.

The women are all in Rampton I believe

BettyBooper · 04/06/2025 17:56

JKRowling just reposted!

NHS mental health hospitals allow criminals to self-identify as women
BettyBooper · 04/06/2025 17:57

Well done wims!

ItisntOver · 04/06/2025 18:25

Igneococcus · 04/06/2025 14:53

Archive version

https://archive.ph/54ahV

Imcomingovertoyourplace · 04/06/2025 18:31

It doesn’t in my local secure unit. Transwomen are on the male wards.

AlexandraLeaving · 04/06/2025 18:36

It is telling that the biggest concern seems to be that the patients might out themselves, not the relative trivia of potentially raping another patient.

👏👏 serious props to the audit team.

edited to deal with autocarrot embellishments

dubaichocolate · 04/06/2025 22:31

https://reduxx.info/germany-family-of-slain-woman-begs-prosecutors-to-re-open-case-against-clinic-which-allowed-a-psychotic-transgender-killer-to-stay-on-ward-with-females/

There was a horrific case in Germany where a transwoman was placed in a female psychiatric ward and murdered a woman, despite already having murdered his dog and stated his intention to kill a person.

BeLemonNow · 04/06/2025 22:54

Thank you so much for the Mumsnetters behind this.

A related issue is mixed sex "supported accommodation" for serious mental illness which can include housing sometimes dangerous men (however they identify) with vulnerable, mentally unwell women.

I'm aware of this because the house next door is one of these so called "care homes". I've had to call the police on a few occasions. This is London again...

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/06/2025 00:22

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 04/06/2025 16:12

It is us! Link below to @KnottyAuty’s audit thread. Not sure who the women in the photo are - I think it may just be a general “women’s rights protest photo”.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5322494-nhs-policy-audit-working-party-thread-2

Edited

Well done 👏 it really is brilliant work.

RedToothBrush · 05/06/2025 00:56

AlexandraLeaving · 04/06/2025 18:36

It is telling that the biggest concern seems to be that the patients might out themselves, not the relative trivia of potentially raping another patient.

👏👏 serious props to the audit team.

edited to deal with autocarrot embellishments

Edited

The patients might out themselves is a really interesting phrase tbh. I don't think they need to say anything about rape, because they are highlighting the sheer extent of a lesser problem and how the lesser problem is unacceptable. It doesn't have to be as serious as rape, for them to consider it a problem.

The 'outing themselves' seems to be a euphemism for 'likely to get their knob out inappropriately'. They have couched their wording but the implication here is actually explicit:

The issue of 'passing' is somewhat irrelevant because 'genitals are freely being offered for inspection, even when not requested'. Basically the wards acknowledge there is such a known problem with flashing, indecent exposure and sexual harassment that they can't even try and follow the Stonewall Law Bible because it's completely unworkable in that environment. And they haven't minced their words about this. They are saying it's male pattern behaviour. They aren't even trying to suggest that it's rare or unusual or uncommon for transwomen patients to do this. Indeed quite the opposite.

It's clearly not isolated cases for them to go that far and that 'anti-woke' given the culture across the NHS. You can deduce it's an active problem.

Which begs another question:
if some hospitals are identifying this as such a significant problem that they don't operate on the basis of gender (instead of sex) because flashing happens so frequently....
...then why isn't this being implemented universally by all similar units?

Any hospital which is out of step with sex on this, needs to really have some serious questions asked about it's management.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 05/06/2025 08:23

@RedToothBrush, all NH trusts are out of step with sex on this. None of this is coming from one rogue hospital or one woke HR department - it is built in to all NHS policy from the ground up. Every trust is mixed sex by stealth - that is, every trust has public-facing proclamations of single-sex accommodation (which they must do, because the NHS as a whole adopted a policy called “eliminating mixed sex accommodation”) but also simultaneously has much harder to find, or even only findable via FOI, transgender accommodation policies that require accommodation by self ID (which trusts are also instructed to do in an annex to the “eliminating mixed sex accommodation” policy). And the policy also states that any staff member or patient who objects to this should be censured.

GailBlancheViola · 05/06/2025 08:38

BiologicalRobot · 04/06/2025 17:19

Well done to everyone involved, and a big heartfelt thank you.

I wonder what Wes Streeting thinks of mentally ill and (usually) violent men being placed with mentally ill and very vulnerable women? Anyone tweeted him a link?

How does this chime with Labour's bold declaration of halving VAWG?

Or does VAWG not count if it is special men doing it.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/06/2025 08:47

GailBlancheViola · 05/06/2025 08:38

How does this chime with Labour's bold declaration of halving VAWG?

Or does VAWG not count if it is special men doing it.

The Ministry of Justice data on sex offending and men claiming trans status suggests that the special men continue to get exemption from our policy makers, captured civil servants, police and the rest.

Needspaceforlego · 05/06/2025 08:51

Lovelyview · 04/06/2025 15:03

Hopefully JK Rowling's sue the bastards fund will focus some minds. If I were in charge of any of these trusts I would be rewriting those policies with a deadline of end of today with emergency board approval tomorrow,

Me too although I'd have done it as soon as the SC defined a woman.

I really wouldn't want to be defending myself in court against a woman who was raped, assaulted, hurt by a man on a female ward. That I allowed to be there.