Medical report leaked that ‘proves Imane Khelif is biological male’

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Interesting. (sorry if there is already a thread, i couldn't see one). Here's the archive link

archive.today/I2v6g

Good, so now the IOC can annul the results in Paris, and sincerely apologise to all the women involved - while hoping that they don’t get sued

A show of hands from anyone surprised.

Anyone???

No me neither.

Brilliant thank you for posting this

Excellent. Now bets on whether the IOC are going to do anything about this.

It was obvious from the moment he got in his coach’s shoulders. That is something a woman would not do or be allowed to do in that culture. They all knew, they cheated and thought they’d get away with it.

I don't think this makes any difference, sadly.

The IOC's position was that the eligibility requirement for female boxing was an F on a passport, and that biological sex was irrelevant. Imane Khelif had the required passport, so was eligible to compete.

They considered the possibility of him being male to be irrelevant, and will similarly consider the fact of him being male to be irrelevant.

Maybe in 20 years there might be a retraction and an apology. But it will require all of this to be ancient history first.

IOC knew for a year and still let a male punch a woman. Shame on them.

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Interesting that Honduras and Peru boxing federations clearly see the issue. The “early adopters” like South Africa for Semenya, Algeria for Khelif and Taiwan have got their medals but it’s surely obvious that all countries will scout males with DSDs if the current “Female on passport” rules stand. Shocking and shameful that this wasn’t sorted out after Semenya first won an Olympic medal but I guess the optics of women being punched in the face by bio males is enough to galvanise many people… Kirsty Coventry, all eyes on you!

Also discussed here

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5345204-world-boxing-to-introduce-mandatory-sex-testing?page=1

With some more here

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5343571-imane-khelif-to-box-women-in-the-netherlands-eindhoven-cup-june-6-9?page=1

I wouldn’t be surprised if there were a couple of other countries’ Olympic female boxers quietly retiring now, too. I don’t believe Taiwan and Algeria would have been alone in sending male people with masculinising DSDs to box at Paris. It was too good an opportunity.

Worth noting what John Pike has said on Twix:

I know some of you have, but what people need to get their heads around now, is: IOC policy allowed - and still allows - some males to compete in the female category. It's not the case that IK and the Algerian OC somehow pulled the wool over their eyes.

The IOC can't say "Well, if we knew this then, we would have acted differently." Not only did they know this, but XY eligibility was - and is - explicitly allowed by the Framework Document.

So the important, and mind-boggling thing is, this huge news changes nothing. The situation is so bad that sex tests make no difference at all to sex eligibility at the IOC

All the talk about IBA corruption was just beside-the-point bluster, because karyotype tests didn't count for anything. It didn't matter that Khelif was XY.

Because, remember, the rule was 'passport sex'.

And, in the Framework Document, still IOC policy, it still is the rule. True, all the big Feds are implicitly ignoring it, and the two architects of the Document, Dr Richard Budgett and Dr Madeline Pape, have both left their jobs in Lausanne. So there is some hope.

But whatever you do, don't let the IOC off the hook by blaming 'Algerian cheats.'

No shit, Sherlock

Yeah that's what I thought, IOC are going to do SFA about this.

I read this morning that Lin Yu Ting, the Taiwanese male boxer, is making money advertising period products in Taiwan.
These men will never admit they are men. It's like Caster Semenya saying that having testicles doesn't make him 'less of a woman'.
They will always find people who just don't care about women, or fairness, who are ready to support these men.

The IOC has prioritised these male athletes since before the Sydney 2000 games. This is one of the papers they published about it.

www.nature.com/articles/gim2000258.pdf?origin=ppub&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=commission_junction&utm_campaign=CONR_PF018_ECOM_GL_PHSS_ALWYS_DEEPLINK&utm_content=textlink&utm_term=PID100045542&CJEVENT=f4d4c8630a0411ed831b01a80a1c0e11

Louis J. Elsas ,MD' , Arne Ljungqvist, MD', Malcolm A. Ferguson-Smith, MA,FRCP, JoeLeigh Simpson, MD', Myron Genel, MD5, Alison S. Carlson ,BA, Elizabeth Ferris, MBBS', Albert de la Chapelle, MD, Anke A. Ehrhardt, phD

"On-site gender verification has since been found to be highly discriminatory, and the cause of emotional trauma and social stigmatization for many females with problems of intersex who have been screened out from competition. Despite compelling evidence for the lack of scientific merit for chromosome-based screening for gender, as well as its functional and ethical inconsistencies, the IOC persisted in its policy for 30 years."
"The coauthors of this manuscript have worked with some success to rescind this policy through educating athletes and sports governors regarding the psychological and physical nature of sexual differentiation, and the inequities of genetic sex testing."

Specific dates leading up to the cessation of sex testing were:

1992 - Dr. Arne Ljungqvist becomes a member of the IOC and continue5 to date an educational program to inform the IOC about scientific and
ethical issues related to laboratory-based gender verification.

1996 - Most major professional medical societies have passed resolutions against chromosome-based gender screening in sports.

1996-1997 - IOC World Congress on Woman and Sport passes a resolution to abandon gender verification at the Olympics. Women's Sports Foundation
publishes a policy statement against blanket chromosome screening in support of IAAF model. The Norwegian parliament outlaws gender verification in sport. The IOC Medical Commission is unconvinced and the Atlanta Committee for the Olympic Games is contractually committed to on-site, laboratory-based, gender veritication of all female althletes competing in women's events.

1997-1998 - Arguments for and against change are presented to the IOC Athlete5 Commission by Professor A. Liungqvist and Dr. B. Dingeon, respectively. Prince de Merode and Dr. Hay argue for their original policy of blanket gender verification at IOC-sponsored sporting events. Athletes
Commission nonetheless calls for the discontinuation of the present system and rccommenda replacing it with a "reserve clause" system based on IOC Medical Commission intervention on an individualized basis, following scientific and ethical guidelines.

1999 - IOC Executive Board accepts unanimous recommendations of its Athletes Commission. Blanket gender verification screening of all female
athletes will not be conducted at the 2000 Millennia1 Games in Sydney, on a conditional basis for later review.

Importantly, for the 1996 Atlanta Olympics they surveyed the female athletes and found:

"At the time of testing, all female athletes at the Atlanta Games were offered a questionnaire written in both English and French asking whether in their view testing of females should be continued in future Olympics and whether or not
they were made anxious by the testing procedure. Of the 928 athletes who responded, 82% felt that testing should be continued and 94% indicated that they were not made anxious by the procedure. Forty-six athletes were made "anxious" by the testing requirements that preceded their competitive events.
No males were found to masquerade as females, and all females who were found to be SRY positive competed."

"Of the 928 athletes who responded, 82% felt that testing should be continued"

They didn't listen to female athletes it seems.

Tell us something we didn't know!

Anyone else absolutely incandescent with rage at this?

They knew he was a man and they didn’t give a Fuck. Misogyny at its finest!

Arne Ljungqvist was instrumental in convincing the IOC to allow these male people to enter female sports categories.

https://www.olympics.com/ioc/prof-arne-ljungqvist

Considering how instrumental the Karolinska Institute has been in providing the evidence that no male people should be included in female sports categories with Tommy Lundberg. I have to wonder what Ljungqvist thinks of his own achievements now and whether he would have made the same decisions.

Oho, good point. This Khelif is a slippery character alright...

@Helleofabore that's interesting, I knew they didn't GAF about women (their reaction at the Olympics proved that) and were likely going to do sweet fuck all about this, but I didn't know they were actively prioritising men in women's sports, that's sick (and not in the way the cool kids use it).

And their cheating was enabled by no less than the IOC President, Thomas Bach, let’s see how the new incumbent, Kirsty Coventry responds to this.

’Coventry has pledged to introduce a blanket ban on transgender women competing in female Olympic competition, insisting that she will protect women athletes and that fairness and safety are paramount.
But critics have pointed out that she was also a member of the IOC's executive board when it allowed two boxers who had reportedly failed gender eligibility tests to compete in the women's boxing competition at the Paris 2024 Olympics.’

Sharron Davies and all the other women who swam against, and lost to the East German women who were taking testosterone in the 1980 Olympics have never had any recognition or restitution, sadly. Even though that scandal broke many years ago.

The claim that
"On-site gender verification has since been found to be highly discriminatory, and the cause of emotional trauma and social stigmatization for many females with problems of intersex who have been screened out from competition"
[for 'gender' read 'sex' , for 'female' read 'male', and for 'intersex' read 'DSD']

is not a good argument to stop testing, it is an argument to test early so that any genuine cases of DSD where young males were identified as female at birth and brought up as girls are not allowed participate in girls'/women's sports to start with.
Then they will not be 'traumatised and stigmatised' by getting as far as the Olympics before being tested and identified as male and 'screened out'.

Screen early and often!

Women w Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (CAIS) are XY w an SRY gene but, because their bodies can't respond to testosterone, they develop along a female pathway. It's not tracked, but there is speculation that CAIS women may be more common in elite sport. The classic CAIS presentation confers some possible legitimate sporting advantages: long limbs, little breast development, no menstrual cycle. I don't have an issue w these XY SRY positive people competing as women, but 5-ARD is v different.

I suspect that in time, female athletes will have an issue for a group of athletes who have even the male advantage of their skeletal proportions (including in many, height) and no menstrual cycle that have been diagnosed as CAIS. At the moment though, there is not yet the peer reviewed papers to support exclusion.

As female people are nearing the maximum potential of the female body with current training techniques, I cannot imagine that any competitive advantage that comes from having a male difference in sex development will not be heavily scrutinised and discussed.