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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
RoyalCorgi · 02/06/2025 09:58

There's something so heartening about seeing a woman with decent, humanitarian values become a billionaire (in dollar terms, anyway). How many women are there in the world who are that wealthy? Just a handful, I imagine, and most of those will have either inherited wealth or married into it. It must be exceptionally rare for someone to come from a completely ordinary background, as she has, to extraordinary wealth and then to use that wealth as a force for good.

I think those of us who have been involved in political activism, particularly feminist activism, are really conscious of how little money there is on our side, and how we always have to scrabble around to raise funds for things like women's shelters or rape support groups. Contrast that with the money powerful men have at their disposal. You can see why JKR makes them so furious - it's not supposed to be like this, is it? Women are supposed to be easy to intimidate, easy to silence. And yet none of their tactics work against JKR - she is simply too wealthy, too powerful, too influential. For many of them, it's probably the first time in their lives that a woman has said no to them.

Maaate · 02/06/2025 10:15

SootherSue · 02/06/2025 07:41

I've heard it's because good mid-budget films couldn't deliver anywhere near the same return as a very mediocre big budget movie. Now that big budget flops are rolling in, and the popular franchises driving them have been squeezed dry, there seems to FINALLY be a course correction underway.

I think a lot of these films are made by Netflix, Prime, Disney+, etc. and released via streaming platforms only.

NutellaEllaElla · 02/06/2025 10:26

GingerBeverage · 02/06/2025 09:43

OT but Anyone But You was made for $25mil and grossed $220mil. We used to see these type of films a lot more. I wish we still did!

Same. I have never been interested in the superhero films and loved the silliness of Anyone But You.

Thanks for educating me about revenue and profits of newly released films everybody. It's really interesting.

LizzieSiddal · 02/06/2025 10:37

Glad to see this.

Anyone who thinks JK is a bigot is very ignorant or stupid.
Even my DD who is very much TWAW (it’s one of the only things we vehemently disagree on), doesn’t think JK is a bigot. She still loves HP, is looking forward to the TV remake and has recently seen HP and The Cursed Child.

Merrymouse · 02/06/2025 13:06

The interesting thing is that JK Rowling has spoken quite openly about politics for years - about Brexit, Scottish Independence, Jeremy Corbyn.

She gave £1 million to the Labour Party in 2008 and although twitter wasn't so high profile back then, she was quite clear about her reasoning, https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/sep/20/labourconference.jkrowling

She didn't hold back when talking about the Leave campaign, but I can't remember any concern about her words.
https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/monsters-villains-eu-referendum/

However, when she talks about women's rights, she is expected to be 'nice'.

JK Rowling gives Labour £1m donation

Harry Potter author gives party financial boost as annual conference begins in Manchester

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/sep/20/labourconference.jkrowling

nauticant · 02/06/2025 13:28

fromorbit · 02/06/2025 08:19

If you were on Mumsnet when the game came out we discussed the whole saga.

The TAs made Hogwarts Legacy the biggest selling game in the world. It was always going be successful, BUT in the run up to the game and at its launch the TAs gave it millions and millions in free publicity. All of twitter youtube facebook etc was talking about it. They tried to cancel streamers who played the game but that boosted their views.

Loads of media outlets published articles about the arrival of the game with journalists always suggesting that JKR was wrong. Yet none of that mattered.

They thought telling everyone that the game was wrong would end it, but instead they made sure everyone on the planet heard about a game where you could go to Hogwarts. For the the average person that sounded AMAZING.

Sure a bunch of people went out of their way to buy it to upset TA types. However that was not why it sold as much as it did. It succeeded because people worldwide love Hogwarts. All they needed was to hear it existed and people went wild.

The TAs made JKR millions of dollars in sales because they hate her so much. All they needed to do is not post online about the game when it came out. Don't make Harry Potter trend on tiktok, twitter and Google, but they could not do it. It isn't even about her opinions really it was about the fact she was a woman saying it. Remember loads of right wing politicians, Muslims, Catholics etc tend to think the trans stuff is wrong, but the TAs don't even get as obsessed with that fact.

More than that the success of the game made Warner Brothers commit to the TV series which will make JKR even richer. It will have HUGE extra publicity with articles like this.

Also, the response from many video games journalists was so unhinged, along with maliciously unfair, that they caused themselves damage. People read reviews like this:

www.wired.com/review/hogwarts-legacy-review/

and could see that they were being grossly misled by very unpleasant people with an agenda, and found it a massive turn-off. In the years since, a vast number of gamers have walked away from the "trusted sources" and now get their news elsewhere. It was always going to end up like this but the scandal in video games journalism around Hogwarts Legacy accelerated it.

TeenLifeMum · 02/06/2025 13:29

Llamasarellovely · 01/06/2025 22:57

Such a mean spirited article, though.

this. many of us are caring, compassionate people but fear limiting our careers if we speak out. In quiet conversations, I’ve never met anyone who doesn’t agree with me on a sensible stand point. Even dd1’s trans friend - born female but likes to identify as male is happy to accept that biologically she’s female.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/06/2025 13:57

Merrymouse · 02/06/2025 13:06

The interesting thing is that JK Rowling has spoken quite openly about politics for years - about Brexit, Scottish Independence, Jeremy Corbyn.

She gave £1 million to the Labour Party in 2008 and although twitter wasn't so high profile back then, she was quite clear about her reasoning, https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/sep/20/labourconference.jkrowling

She didn't hold back when talking about the Leave campaign, but I can't remember any concern about her words.
https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/monsters-villains-eu-referendum/

However, when she talks about women's rights, she is expected to be 'nice'.

This is an interesting point.

So, this actually isn't the first time she's attracted criticism for her political views. I remember in the run up to the Scottish independence referendum a lot of Scottish nationalists criticised her for sticking her oar in, and particularly for being an English woman who had chosen to live in Scotland and was publicly opposing Scottish independence.

I don't remember how much criticism she got for her pro Labour and anti Brexit stances, possibly not that much because her fan base was naturally more left leaning and pro Europe anyway.

What I think is really noticeable about the criticism she has had from US-based liberals about her stance on women's rights is that they've all accused her of being right wing. To me this shows that these people who no doubt like to think of themselves as the intelligent Americans were completely unaware of her previous political activism in relation to subjects they have no interest in because they don't affect America.

When I first heard internet rumours about JK Rowling being an evil bigot who had been brainwashed by the far right into hating a vulnerable minority, my gut reaction was, "That sounds incredibly unlikely."

If you're aware of her other political positions, you understand that being in league with the far right just doesn't fit. If you're not aware of her other political position, you're more likely to believe that rubbish.

Perhaps this is a stupid analogy, but imagine that in the US, Trump supporters suddenly started putting the "u" into words like "colour". And then JK Rowling tweeted something with the word "colour" in it. Only someone who was completely unaware that everyone spells it "colour" in the UK would interpret that to mean that JK Rowling is a Trump supporter. It is a position that necessarily requires a certain level of ignorance about the politics of other countries.

I think it is this US-centricism which annoys me the most in all this. You invent a stupid ideology which is harmful to women and children and you either don't realise or don't care because your country treats women and children appallingly anyway. The people who oppose your stupid ideology in your own country are on the political right. Then you export your stupid ideology to the rest of the developed world, starting with other English speaking countries. Then a famous British woman who cares passionately about women and children speaks up about your stupid ideology and the harm it is doing to women and children. And because you're a complete ignoramus who doesn't take an interest in anything that happens outside your own borders and you don't know that this woman is a dyed in the wool leftie, you reach the conclusion that she is in league with the political right in your country. (Even though the political right in her country is still to the left of the political left in your country.) Of course it does not even occur to you to consider whether she might have a point about the women and the children.

CherryRipe1 · 03/06/2025 10:02

I see Jade Thirlwall (spelling?) of Little Mix has jumped on the JKR hate bandwagon to curry favour and garner popularity with the TRAs & youngsters.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 03/06/2025 10:18

CherryRipe1 · 03/06/2025 10:02

I see Jade Thirlwall (spelling?) of Little Mix has jumped on the JKR hate bandwagon to curry favour and garner popularity with the TRAs & youngsters.

Does she not realise that her virtue signalling is about as on trend as putting up "live laugh love" wall decals in 2025?

CherryRipe1 · 03/06/2025 12:00

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 03/06/2025 10:18

Does she not realise that her virtue signalling is about as on trend as putting up "live laugh love" wall decals in 2025?

👏👏👏🤣 Brilliant! It's actually quite nauseating.

WarriorN · 03/06/2025 12:19

PlasticAcrobat · 02/06/2025 07:31

First time I've heard the term 'gender fundamentalism' used to describe opposition to gender ideology. Real Alice in Wonderland stuff.

they’re trying all sorts at the moment.

see the threads rumour that Kelif “ actually pushed out a baby ffs” etc

lcakethereforeIam · 05/06/2025 17:36

I read that as 'punched a baby!'😳🙃

Anyway, nice to see Tom Felton doing well

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0712x9p8vmo.amp

I did not know this!

Harry Potter and the Cursed Child is the highest-grossing non-musical play in Broadway history, and has sold more than 10 million tickets worldwide since its premiere in London in 2016.

A split picture of Tom Felton pictured recently in costume as Draco Malfoy (right), and the same actor pictured in the same evil wizard's pose many years earlier in a Harry Potter movie (left)

Tom Felton to reprise Draco Malfoy role in Harry Potter and the Cursed Child on Broadway - BBC News

He is the first star of the original movie series to appear in the spin-off stage show.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0712x9p8vmo.amp

storminabuttercup · 06/06/2025 07:00

I think Felton was one of the few from the ‘child’ cast who didn’t turn against JK isn’t he? Fair play to him I do think many did so so as to avoid the bonkers backlash

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