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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

California Interscholastic Federation Championship and male athlete policy changes

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Helleofabore · 29/05/2025 14:29

It looks like going forward the California Interscholastic Federation Championship is going to offer any female athlete the same opportunity / award as a male athlete that is competing in that event.

For instance, if they missed out due to a male athlete on getting to a final, they will add the female athlete to ensure she gets a chance. If a male athlete wins a podium place, the next female athlete will receive the same podium place.

I am doing a further check on this.

https://x.com/SophiaSLorey/status/1927824612559315450

The announcement:

As a follow-up to the May 27 announcement regarding the 2025 CIF State Track and Field Championship pilot entry process, the California Interscholastic Federation (CIF) addresses the following steps taken this past weekend and
what will occur moving forward:

At the conclusion of the high jump, triple jump and long jump events at the CIF/Southern Section Masters Meet on Saturday, May 24, biological female student-athletes who would have earned the next qualifying mark for one of their Section's automatic qualifying entries in the CIF State meet, and did not achieve the CIF State at-large mark in the finals at their Section meet, was extended an opportunity to participate in the 2025 CIF State Track and Field Championships. These additional entries were included in the track and field state meet performance lists posted on www.cifstate.org on Sunday, May 25.

On Friday, May, 30, if necessary, in the high jump, triple jump and long jump qualifying events at the 2025 CIF State Track and Field Championships, a biological female student-athlete who would have earned the next qualifying mark will also be advanced to the finals. Additionally, if necessary, in the high jump, triple jump and long jump events at the 2025 CIF State Track and Field Championships, a biological female student-athlete who would have earned a specific placement on the podium will also be awarded the medal for that place and the results will be reflected in the recording of the event.

The CIF values all of our student-athletes and we will continue to uphold our mission of providing students with the opportunity to belong, connect, and compete while complying with California law and Education Code. We now turn our attention to the 1,533 student-athletes participating in the
2025 CIF State Track and Field Championships.

Here is the link to the announcement

https://www.cifstate.org/news/2025_TF_follow-up_5.28.25

How is this workable? Surely any male athlete, Ab Hernandez seems to have triggered this policy, must be starting to understand that their inclusion in the female events is now just effectively virtue signalling.

At least, the female athletes will now be recognised to a degree.

https://x.com/SophiaSLorey/status/1927824612559315450

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Datun · 31/05/2025 11:38

I can't imagine an arrangement of this sort ever really having legs (as it were).

The male athlete will be entirely irrelevant, and largely unpopular. That's not what they want.

DuesToTheDirt · 31/05/2025 11:47

Datun · 31/05/2025 11:38

I can't imagine an arrangement of this sort ever really having legs (as it were).

The male athlete will be entirely irrelevant, and largely unpopular. That's not what they want.

And it will highlight the fact that they are male, and competing alongside the females, rather than with them - also not what they want.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 31/05/2025 11:48

Why is the women who comes first in a women's event relegated to 2nd Gold, if they can't put it back to where it was, no men in women's sport, they why can't the winning women at least be joint 1st.

They could make the man's win an 'thanks for playing' medal.

TheOtherRaven · 31/05/2025 11:50

And if you're going to operate a trans category in the same time and space as a boring old sex category, why not in the same time and space as the male category?

To be blunt, because that makes it clear that male people with trans identities are men/boys, where to put them with women and girls still retains the head pat of 'respecting' the identity.

Teajenny7 · 31/05/2025 13:26

I find the fact that a male child was allowed to transition so young is sad and tantamount to abuse..
Has he had surgery?

He looks older and a male. A bit like a guy dressed up grossly as a female on a stag night.

Helleofabore · 31/05/2025 14:15

TheOtherRaven · 31/05/2025 11:50

And if you're going to operate a trans category in the same time and space as a boring old sex category, why not in the same time and space as the male category?

To be blunt, because that makes it clear that male people with trans identities are men/boys, where to put them with women and girls still retains the head pat of 'respecting' the identity.

This is it though.

There is this mental block to the rest of the evidence discovered over time that these male people can continue at their fitness and performance level with training. it is such an inconvenient truth that it must be ignored.

And now who is going to do the study that breaks the current habit of reporting poorer performance? Who is going to monitor performance changes with accuracy forcing these male people to perform at their peak? No one so far because there is too much benefit to be derived from the “they are weakened to the point of being just like female people” narrative.

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Helleofabore · 31/05/2025 14:16

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 31/05/2025 11:48

Why is the women who comes first in a women's event relegated to 2nd Gold, if they can't put it back to where it was, no men in women's sport, they why can't the winning women at least be joint 1st.

They could make the man's win an 'thanks for playing' medal.

I read this as one way it could be recorded. I think we have to see what the CIF ended up using as a reporting protocol.

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WifeOfTiresias · 31/05/2025 14:22

This is nuts. Just keep the men out of the women’s events. Job done.

Unless it is just a transitional thing to compensate for past years unjust outcomes caused by inclusion of men, it makes no sense.

TheOtherRaven · 31/05/2025 14:35

Even if men are proven beyond all doubt to be really weak and sad, it still does not justify giving them resources taken away from women.

Sacrificing women on the altar of male needs and feelings is plain wrong. Women are not on the planet as therapeutic resources for men. They're not allowed to only have whatever bits of the world are left over from what men don't happen to want at this exact moment in time, and on the grounds that they will hand that crumb over immediately if a man discovers he does want it.

It's sexism to the nth degree. Men performing femininity, even Dylan Mulvaney doing his very best girly dancing backwards into a bush, have no place in women's sports. It's an insult to women athletes to reduce their sports to performative stages for men.

As with toilets and changing rooms and all the rest of it - those men need their own resources. They cannot have women's. And if they don't want their own resources, then they can do without any resources at all.

Helleofabore · 31/05/2025 15:32

TheOtherRaven · 31/05/2025 14:35

Even if men are proven beyond all doubt to be really weak and sad, it still does not justify giving them resources taken away from women.

Sacrificing women on the altar of male needs and feelings is plain wrong. Women are not on the planet as therapeutic resources for men. They're not allowed to only have whatever bits of the world are left over from what men don't happen to want at this exact moment in time, and on the grounds that they will hand that crumb over immediately if a man discovers he does want it.

It's sexism to the nth degree. Men performing femininity, even Dylan Mulvaney doing his very best girly dancing backwards into a bush, have no place in women's sports. It's an insult to women athletes to reduce their sports to performative stages for men.

As with toilets and changing rooms and all the rest of it - those men need their own resources. They cannot have women's. And if they don't want their own resources, then they can do without any resources at all.

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Yes. But that doesn’t fit in with their philosophical belief sadly.

Because the other inconvenient truth is that many male people have to take medication that reduces their performance. They don’t get to compete in the female category.

Of course, the only reason these male people do is because of philosophical belief. It was always a ludicrous reason to allow them to compete.

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Violetparis · 31/05/2025 16:28

This teenager has been badly let down by adults who pander to this nonsense.

Helleofabore · 01/06/2025 03:28

For long jump Congrats to Loren Webster 1st, Brooke White in 2nd , and Katie McGuinness.

However the results table seems to have Hernandez listed as 2nd with no note why a second 2nd place was awarded.

https://rt.trackscoreboard.com/meets/53025/events/25/Final

I wonder if there will be some adjustment later where they note why there were 2 in second place ?

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Helleofabore · 01/06/2025 03:32

High jump

Three tied for first with Hernandez as one of the three. Well done to those girls. .

https://rt.trackscoreboard.com/meets/53025/events/25/Final

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Helleofabore · 01/06/2025 03:36

Triple jump currently live.

rt.trackscoreboard.com/meets/53025/events/26/Final

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Helleofabore · 02/06/2025 09:23

https://x.com/xx_xyathletics/status/1929321033523187786?s=46

NBC did a segment, a very biased one.

AB Hernandez says that CIF should have left it this year and ‘fixed it next year’. His mother uses the suicide myth, saying she would rather have AB live as a girl etc. No female athletes interviewed.

So girls, you should have just sucked eggs this year. It obviously never occurred to AB, and mum, that he is wrong and should have not competed.

https://x.com/xx_xyathletics/status/1929321033523187786?s=46

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DefineHappy · 04/06/2025 07:26

Just putting this here, as an example of how it is reported in Australia…

I also found the video at the top of the article interesting (but don’t wish to flag the name discussed as the litigious nature of the sportsperson is well known to Aussies)…

Cryptic, sorry!

https://www.news.com.au/sport/more-sports/trans-athlete-ab-hernandez-sparks-storm-over-podium-celebration/news-story/86a5d1399cd309f9c59c6094c48484da

Helleofabore · 04/06/2025 08:33

DefineHappy · 04/06/2025 07:26

Just putting this here, as an example of how it is reported in Australia…

I also found the video at the top of the article interesting (but don’t wish to flag the name discussed as the litigious nature of the sportsperson is well known to Aussies)…

Cryptic, sorry!

https://www.news.com.au/sport/more-sports/trans-athlete-ab-hernandez-sparks-storm-over-podium-celebration/news-story/86a5d1399cd309f9c59c6094c48484da

That video you are talking about made me think of Magdalen.

I think that she would have had something to say to Dennis, probably something like ‘Riley, mate, you aren’t a woman’. But in Bern’s style.

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Helleofabore · 04/06/2025 08:35

DefineHappy · 04/06/2025 07:26

Just putting this here, as an example of how it is reported in Australia…

I also found the video at the top of the article interesting (but don’t wish to flag the name discussed as the litigious nature of the sportsperson is well known to Aussies)…

Cryptic, sorry!

https://www.news.com.au/sport/more-sports/trans-athlete-ab-hernandez-sparks-storm-over-podium-celebration/news-story/86a5d1399cd309f9c59c6094c48484da

The journo got away with not using pronouns in that article definehappy. Thanks for sharing

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LadyQuackBeth · 04/06/2025 09:17

I think this is a step in the right direction and the cheering and girls carrying on as if he didn't exist will be an important learning moment for a very pandered to, deluded teenage boy.

The people running it are going to feel less generous towards him. Will they have to get spare medals every time in case he gets a spot? What a PITA. It now looks like special treatment and it can't last long. They can't go back from this to telling girls to suck it up, as it's been recognised as an injustice.

Interestingly, I think this solution was the right one for parkrun. That a TW could see where he ranked compared to other women, but a woman's results wouldn't show him. The published results could just have the TW as anonymous.

Helleofabore · 10/02/2026 08:34

AB Hernandez wins again

https://kmph.com/news/local/transgender-athlete-wins-first-place-at-winter-championships

https://nypost.com/2026/02/09/us-news/trans-high-school-track-athlete-wins-first-place-in-girls-competition/

AB Hernandez, a Senior at Jurupa Valley High School in Riverside County, recorded a jump of 39 feet and 10 inches, while second place recorded a jump of 39 feet and 3¼ inches at the VS California Winter Championships”.

and then there is this:

”The U.S. Department of Education recently added the California Community College Athletic Association — which oversees 108 athletic programs statewide — to its existing investigation into transgender athletes launched last year, an inquiry that has also named Jurupa Valley High School among other schools.”

Transgender athlete wins first place at winter championships

A transgender high school track athlete won first place in the girls' competition over the weekend.According to the official results, Ab Hernandez, a senior at

https://kmph.com/news/local/transgender-athlete-wins-first-place-at-winter-championships

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myplace · 10/02/2026 09:21

Helleofabore · 10/02/2026 08:34

AB Hernandez wins again

https://kmph.com/news/local/transgender-athlete-wins-first-place-at-winter-championships

https://nypost.com/2026/02/09/us-news/trans-high-school-track-athlete-wins-first-place-in-girls-competition/

AB Hernandez, a Senior at Jurupa Valley High School in Riverside County, recorded a jump of 39 feet and 10 inches, while second place recorded a jump of 39 feet and 3¼ inches at the VS California Winter Championships”.

and then there is this:

”The U.S. Department of Education recently added the California Community College Athletic Association — which oversees 108 athletic programs statewide — to its existing investigation into transgender athletes launched last year, an inquiry that has also named Jurupa Valley High School among other schools.”

By 6,3/4 inches.

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