What is a Woman - Wesley Winter

[ArabellaScott]

A very useful compendium of trans activists sharing their views.

I watched it through, the only person who came across as sensible to me was the chap 25 minutes in who talked about going through therapy.

When society tells a bunch of selfish men they can have and do what they like, they go ahead.
Stunning and brave it isn't, false and creepy it is.

Good Lord. The bright pink not really there bra and huge fake boobs. My eyes indeed. They are obviously very disturbed individuals. What scares me most is the ?doctor?midwife who must win waffle of the week award for such utter nonsense. It scares me that people put trust in healthcare professionals who don’t understand the basics. No, we don’t call pregnant 9 year olds women ffs. We call them abused girls. I hope to God that the number of 9 year olds pregnant girls is tiny but the way this loon goes on you’d think maternity wards are full of 9 year olds. Scary shit. I’ve not watched it all. It’s utter lunacy on a societal level. I liked how not having breasts didn’t make you less of a woman should you need a mastectomy yet men think having breasts makes them a woman. You couldn’t make this shit up.
0.5-1% of people are trans according to some of those interviewed. Yet look at the outrage and demands.
No woman is going to challenge scary pink bra big fake boobs man if she finds him in the loo. I wouldn’t. The anger just radiates off him and I’d keep my head down and get out of there asap.

How can people be this stupid?

Yes, he seemed a very amiable and reasonable sort. Someone you could chat to. Nice as he might be, though, he can't use women's spaces. That's all women have ever been asking for. He may well be lovely, but he's still a hulking great bloke with a male body.

Another thing is it puts paid to the ‘why are you so worried about such a tiny number of people?’ line - there’s just so many of them, and that’s just one demo.

The section on trans women in sport tho'. We knew the delusion was strong but that was another level - Serena Williams would beat Rafa Nadal for instance. Not understanding why a trans woman would have an advantage in fencing. And on and on......

Fascinating to see how weak all the TRA arguments are. Like a PP said, it's like they've never had to explain it before.

The NHS worker was terrifying.

I actually felt a bit anxious watching the silent TRAs following him around. So much for be bloody kind. The police seemed to deal with it quite well.

When I see them speak I am always baffled about how these people have been taken seriously enough to gain so much traction. They are mostly clearly nuts and their arguments almost entirely bullshit.

That's because they never have had to explain it before!

It's a pure cultish bubble of affirmation and encouragement.

But WHY have they never had to explain it before? If someone wants me to do or change something I expect them to convince me of why I should.

who the heck is finding this stream of incoherent nonsense convincing?

You don’t need facts when you’ve got feelings for goodness sake!? 🤣

NO DEBATE GET OVER IT THATS TRANSPHOBIC AND PROAABLY RACIST

It was really like a replay of the highlights of the arguments we have had on FWR though.

And we know that there were parents there at that protest who post on MN, so it is unsurprising that you see those arguments being said in the wild so to speak.

So much incoherence

I really really wish politicians would watch this video. It's a great example of lots of different people agitating for 'trans rights', and demonstrates many of the very blindingly clear differences.

We have a group of obvious fetishists - middle aged men talking about their 'tits'.

Some vulnerable and confused young girls/women, an autistic woman, a medic/HCP who is making very little sense at all, a pleasant kindly transwoman, a transwoman who just about 'passes', some obviously very mentally unstable and disturbed people, a convicted criminal muttering about Keir Starmer.

It's all there. And it all demonstrates how you just cannot lump all 'trans' identiying people in together. At all. What does a vulnerable autistic teenage girl have in common with a 50 year old fetishist in a hot pink bra?

Absolutely fuck all, that's what.

I did feel sorry for the pleasant and kind transwoman who clearly hasn't given an iota of thought to the fact that his behaviour isn't acceptable or fair. He seems very genuine and nice. But still undoubtedly a man.

We don't know what his behaviour is, although I suppose if he's at that march we can assume he is agitating for his right to use women's spaces?

In which case he's actively seeking to destroy women's rights and boundaries.

Either he is so deluded he is genuinely unable to understand how this impacts on women and girls, or he knows, and is therefore not pleasant and kind.

Ultimately it doesn't matter - he can be lovely or he can be actively awful; the impact on women and girls is much the same.

Having seen both videos, I am surprised really at seeing so obviously flawed arguments continuing to come out again and again. It is like it cycles around.

And on his first video, am I just crap at picking accents or was there more protestors with US accents than you would expect to find in a London trans activist protest?

And hearing Baker admit that if the topless protestors were women, then there would be real questions about legal ramifications makes my brain hurt. So, if police treat them as being men and ignore their toplessness, what does that signify?

I have not heard that any of them were arrested because they were topless or even questioned. So, the law treated them as male? Does this group take it as the law being transphobic then? Was this also a test to add to their list of how transphobic the world is around them?

I'm still resentful of everyone apparently deciding we have bloody 'bathrooms' in the UK instead of public loos/toilets/facilities. Since when?! We are not the 51st state.

Hoping for rational thought from SJB is cute, Helle. 🤗

yes. you are right. 😁

I wonder if it's because of "voice training". Like they've trained away their masculine voice but the voices they're copying are American so they pick up the American accent.

I like Wesley's videos. He comes across as friendly and a bit naive and I think that's why he gets some of the TRA to engage with him.
I'm watching this one now and just got to the bit where he's spoken to the young terf who was at Leeds Uni, and he's now interviewing Alan Baker.
Just as he's going on about his terf fan club, a red double decker bus was coming up right behind him. I can't be the only one who was hoping it would now him down.

This was great. As others have said, it's interesting hearing arguments in the wild rather than on Twitter. Many of these people won't be used to having their foundational arguments tested - it's not enough to talk about liberation, rights and inclusion, or the omnicause - you need to define and defend your case.

I am gender critical but this kind of open, questioning conversation would have given trans people a far better chance of winning hearts and minds than a decade of "no debate". I had a lot of sympathy for the older trans woman who spoke about therapy, and the passing long-haired blonde trans women. I can appreciate how destabilising the recent clarification must seem to them. Self-ID and the ever-growing trans umbrella have not done them any favours.

The problem is, we started out with be-kind and pronouns, which slid into self ID, which slid into men in women's sports, women's prisons, women's crime stats, men stealing women's prizes and men benefiting from programmes designed to lift women into equality.

Some interviewed still seem to think it's about relative trivia* - pronouns and bathrooms - and the only explanation for people not making such small concessions must be bigotry. They don't grasp that the outrageous overreach of members of their own community has led to this pushback.

*I know these aren't trivial and act as gateway drugs to the hard stuff, but I think if trans demands has been limited to pronouns and bathrooms for tiny numbers of people with diagnosed gender dysphoria, we could perhaps, maybe, have rubbed along.