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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Anyone else tired of talking about gender?

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Stretchytoes · 28/05/2025 14:49

When I was young I really believed the world was moving away from gender stereotypes. I watched in horror as the pinkification of girls’ clothes and toys entrenched gender stereotypes even further and then witnessed women’s identities being co-opted by male-bodied people who now claimed the right to be considered the most vulnerable of all women.

I spent years wrestling with my beliefs, trying so hard to be on the “right side of history” by having the “correct” opinion for my liberal left leaning peers. I have read and read and read and tried so hard to find a persuasive argument that would talk be away from my belief that this is at heart a misogynistic and retrograde movement. I have felt depressed and miserable every time I’ve seen friends saying online that people with my opinions are bigots and bad people. I have felt isolated and alone.

But after years of feeling battered and lonely, I have found a few friends who agree with me and I have made peace with my opinions. In attempting to steel man the other side’s best arguments, I have satisfied myself that their arguments don’t stand up. So when friends occasionally decide they want to
debate me on the subject, I cannot help feeling almost offended by how poorly they have thought through their arguments or how little they have read on the debate (and the stats). It always comes back to this vibes-based stuff, where they just want me to be kind and want me to acknowledge it’s a tiny minority of vulnerable people. They don’t know about AGP males or sissy porn. They don’t know about DSD males in sport. They haven’t considered lesbian spaces. I have to say it’s getting right on my tits that I’m meant to do the heavy lifting and intellectual labour to learn about everything and then try to explain myself to them while they just wring their hands and talk about talking about kindness.

Anyone else feel frustrated that their friends have expected them to explain themselves like this??

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AstonScrapingsNameChange · 28/05/2025 14:55

It's probably easier to steer clear of potentially difficult political conversations with friends.

Having said that, I don't think I could be friends with someone who was that thick actively saying that being GC is bigoted.

FeralWoman · 28/05/2025 15:14

I don’t understand why the younger generation seem to be so willing to embrace gender stereotypes. My generation fought against that bullshit.

Now it seems that if you don’t wholeheartedly conform to your sex’s gender stereotype then you must be non binary or trans or something. Like, WTF? Why? Why do they want to be stuffed into a restrictive regressive box that limits their options in life?

I used to tell my DD’s teachers and support staff (she has ASD) that she doesn’t like stereotypically girly things and prefers stereotypically boy things. Now as a teenager? Not a chance in case they try to put the idea of being trans into her head. She’s vulnerable and easily influenced.

DH and I regularly talk to her about how we don’t conform to a lot of gender stereotypes but we’re still a man and a woman. That men and women can do things that the other sex usually does and it doesn’t mean that they’re trans. For example DH does our cooking and happily took baby and toddler DD out with him to do grocery shopping, and I don’t wear make up or high heels, or that the antiperspirant I use is labelled as men’s but that doesn’t mean anything or that I’m a man. She also hears me regularly get mad about trans and gender things and being all terfy.

We used to celebrate people not conforming to gender stereotypes. What happened to that? What would metrosexual men be labelled as now? What would the current generation make of them?

NPET · 28/05/2025 16:59

Yes definitely.
I'm afraid I haven't the time (or the battery) to write a long reply atm, but very much agree.
The thing is I don't have anything against anyone wanting to be different from the v or p human.
BUT they must respect my desire to not be anywhere near a p in a toilet, changing room, or other woman's space!

WallaceinAnderland · 28/05/2025 17:15

No Debate really worked for a while didn't it.

Since the SC ruling everyone suddenly wants to discuss it. I think it's too late now. Women have been fighting for their rights for years and no-one wanted to listen.

You know what TERF stands for - Tired of Explaining Reality to Fuckwits

WithSilverBells · 28/05/2025 17:31

They don’t know about AGP males or sissy porn. They don’t know about DSD males in sport. They haven’t considered lesbian spaces. I have to say it’s getting right on my tits that I’m meant to do the heavy lifting and intellectual labour to learn about everything and then try to explain myself to them while they just wring their hands and talk about talking about kindness.

Yes, it is frustrating and pathetic that people opine on important issues without doing even the most basic bit of research. I will continue to do the heavy lifting for them though because the defence of women's rights and the safeguarding of children is worth it. I reckon at the latest count I have changed the minds of at least 9 people I know irl and it makes me so proud that I have taken the time and faced the flak in order to do that.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 28/05/2025 17:32

You could try simply telling the to educate themselves. At least half the posters on the board are here because a TRA told them to do that, and they did.

Stretchytoes · 28/05/2025 18:10

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 28/05/2025 14:55

It's probably easier to steer clear of potentially difficult political conversations with friends.

Having said that, I don't think I could be friends with someone who was that thick actively saying that being GC is bigoted.

No one has actively called me a bigot thankfully. I’d definitely tell them where to shove that accusation

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Stretchytoes · 28/05/2025 18:12

WithSilverBells · 28/05/2025 17:31

They don’t know about AGP males or sissy porn. They don’t know about DSD males in sport. They haven’t considered lesbian spaces. I have to say it’s getting right on my tits that I’m meant to do the heavy lifting and intellectual labour to learn about everything and then try to explain myself to them while they just wring their hands and talk about talking about kindness.

Yes, it is frustrating and pathetic that people opine on important issues without doing even the most basic bit of research. I will continue to do the heavy lifting for them though because the defence of women's rights and the safeguarding of children is worth it. I reckon at the latest count I have changed the minds of at least 9 people I know irl and it makes me so proud that I have taken the time and faced the flak in order to do that.

This is amazing! Good work! I think I’ve only persuaded a few people who were already pretty on the fence.

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WithSilverBells · 29/05/2025 09:53

Stretchytoes · 28/05/2025 18:12

This is amazing! Good work! I think I’ve only persuaded a few people who were already pretty on the fence.

Well five of them were in my women's group, so I don't know if 5 in one go is cheating😂

Grammarnut · 29/05/2025 10:27

My DD does this. She doesn't know much about gender woo but thinks that it is unkind to be so agitated about it or to be mean about pronouns etc, even though she knows perfectly well one cannot change sex.

PriOn1 · 29/05/2025 11:19

Yes, sick and tired of it and have lost much loved children to the cult think.

Just pondering how much difference I thought the Supreme Court judgment would have and my feelings of despondency about how many seem to be marching on with fingers in ears.

Have to revert (again) to my position that this will only end when doctors in the US reach a position where the negligence claims mount so high that the entirety of so-called gender medicine is recognized as a scam. But that’s still a long way off.

Nottodaty · 29/05/2025 12:10

Like others have said we as a family don’t necessarily conform as gender typical roles.

As part of a very large mainly female wider family - we all very similar. Love a game of football and watch sports. Two of my aunts have short hair and you wouldn’t see either of them in dresses or wear makeup (if ever!) Both happily married to their husbands.

The desire to put people in boxes with labels. It’s unhealthy and causes confusions. My daughter struggled at around 12/13 because she was very aware that she wasn’t like a lot of her girl friends - she preferred being with boys and other reasons - she is also autistic. Thankfully 10 years ago the labels weren’t so forced and she naturally progressed with acceptance. She is now a 22 year old confident with who she is and now even occasionally wears a dress and still mainly has close friends that are boys.

Whist I do think their are people suffer with body issues and yes we should support them with what is right for them & the journey that they may need to go on. The blanket approach doesn’t work & is causing more harm. I worry the people that actually need help aren’t able to access it due to the noise it has created.

DragonRunor · 29/05/2025 13:54

Yep, it is tiring. I find it especially tiring when, having had a conversation and someone appears to change their view, next time you seem to be back at square one again (cos they’ve reloaded all the shit from the internet)

I had this with my teenage daughter over about 9 months - I kept asking open questions and showing her stories about the young women affected (thank you Riley Gaines!). Eventually it stuck (the logic was too strong in the end!) but gods it was just so draining going over the same stuff time and time again.

I guess the truth is that it takes time for people to fully understand the issues and arguments, and that’s way harder than just agreeing with the vocal minority. So yeh, we just keep doing the heavy lifting - and get our support here 😊

WallaceinAnderland · 29/05/2025 16:52

So many people have never, ever thought about the issue.

Yet these very same people have always understood and accepted that it is not right for men to:

Participate in female only sports
Be on all women shortlists
Be nominated for women only awards in things like film and engineering

You only have to ask 'at what point does a man become eligible to take the sponsorship money, promotion and awards which have been set up for women only' to see the cogs starting to turn.

These people never think beyond toilets.

Stretchytoes · 29/05/2025 21:11

DragonRunor · 29/05/2025 13:54

Yep, it is tiring. I find it especially tiring when, having had a conversation and someone appears to change their view, next time you seem to be back at square one again (cos they’ve reloaded all the shit from the internet)

I had this with my teenage daughter over about 9 months - I kept asking open questions and showing her stories about the young women affected (thank you Riley Gaines!). Eventually it stuck (the logic was too strong in the end!) but gods it was just so draining going over the same stuff time and time again.

I guess the truth is that it takes time for people to fully understand the issues and arguments, and that’s way harder than just agreeing with the vocal minority. So yeh, we just keep doing the heavy lifting - and get our support here 😊

I think this is my issue. They cannot win the argument. They usually end up seeming persuaded. But then they just reset by the next time you see them. Basically they just want to feel like a goodie

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