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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Erasure of sex specific language and categories - Reem Alsalem

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IwantToRetire · 27/05/2025 21:00

Extract from an as yet draft report for a special session on Violence Against Women 59th Session of the Human Rights Council. So expect it will be heavily criticised if not edited before then.

Am posting as much because she, like Baroness Falkner is so often attacked in public for just doing her job. As well as referencing recent Supreme Court Ruling

Erasure of sex specific language and categories

13. Recently, there has been a concerted international push to delink the definition of men and women from their biological sex, and erase the legal category of “women”. Such efforts have undermined the practical achievement of equality between men and women. Women are therefore being denied their rightful recognition as a distinct category in law and society. It is a form of “coercive inclusion” which relies on the expectation that women will be kind enough to sacrifice their own recognition and protection for the sake of others.

14. The suppression of women in language and law occurs in several forms: by replacing sex-specific language with neutral language; by reinterpreting sex-specific language to refer to gender identity rather than sex; and by referring to females in dehumanizing, biologically reductive terms such as “birthing persons” “menstruaters/bleeders” or “vagina havers” with “front holes”. Such a framing is accompanied by describing the distinction between male and female itself as “biological essentialism” and “an intrinsic expression of patriarchal structures”, rather than the material reality onto which oppressive gender norms and stereotypes are imposed.

15. In an effort to provide recognition for males who identify as women or girls, many states have denied females their own right to be recognized in law as a distinct, particularly vulnerable group in need of targeted protection as envisaged by international law, including lesbian and bisexual women. The pursuit of neutrality can often lead to a form of blindness to the distinct needs, rights, and vulnerabilities of particular groups. If the category of biological females is erased or fundamentally decoupled from sex-based oppression, that oppression becomes increasingly difficult to identify and, thus, to combat. In sum, we cannot protect what we do not define.

16. A powerful examination of the negative effects of the erasure of sex specific language and categories can be seen in the recent decision of the UK Supreme Court, which held that references to “sex” and “woman” in domestic anti-discrimination law must be references to biological sex. This ruling protects women and girls under a distinct category while also providing anti-discrimination rights to those who identify as transgender, without undermining the right of women and girls to single-sex spaces.

Elimination of sex-specific data

17. The UN recognizes that all humans have a right to a legal identity, and that this identity must include the sex of the person concerned. As a key demographic variable, the collection of accurate, robust data based on sex is essential to evidence-based policymaking across sectors, from healthcare to criminal justice. Accurate data is essential for combating systematic patterns of sex- based violence and oppression. The lack of data segregated by “sex”, confidentiality, data security, and underreporting by victims of violence are barriers to having good quality data needed for ending violence against women and girls

18. In recent decades, there has been a growing trend to collect gender identity data instead of sex-related data, including by the United Nations. The phenomenon is particularly evident in the 21 countries that have allowed for self-identification of gender identity (as of November 2020), such as Brazil, the UK and Australia. This is especially problematic in healthcare. The failure of medical science to account for sex differences is a well-known phenomenon with profound implications for women’s healthcare outcomes. For example, the effectiveness of medication for women with the effect of drugs on the female body is poorly researched and understood.

19. Collecting sex-based data does not reduce people to biological categories. It simply records information that is necessary to track outcomes for distinct groups to eliminate unjust disparities between them and provide targeted support, including trans people. Claims that the term “sex-based violence excludes non-binary, gender-diverse, and transgender individuals” wrongly implies that these individuals either do not have a sex or do not experience discrimination and violence based on their sex.

Extracts from a very, very long article downloadable as a word document at https://t.co/avyK2MOAJt
https://ohchr.org/sites/default/files/2025-05/a-hrc-59-47-auv-1-en.docx

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CassOle · 27/05/2025 21:25

Thanks for posting this. I will read the full document when I have time.

IwantToRetire · 27/05/2025 21:57

CassOle · 27/05/2025 21:25

Thanks for posting this. I will read the full document when I have time.

Yes, me too. These extracts are just from the introduction!

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TheOtherRaven · 27/05/2025 21:59

It is a form of “coercive inclusion” which relies on the expectation that women will be kind enough to sacrifice their own recognition and protection for the sake of others.

Oh exactly that. How very well expressed.

DragonRunor · 27/05/2025 21:59

She’s brilliant, and that’s a great document, spelling out why words and data need clear definitions, and why we need words and data which relate specifically to sex. Dare I say, that’s even more fundamental that toilets 😆

This should be required reading for all the posters who come here saying ‘why do you even care’ etc. Oh, and every MP, and key decision maker in the civil service and the NHS.

IwantToRetire · 28/05/2025 01:55

She’s brilliant, and that’s a great document,

Sadly I expect by the time she gets to present it in person in a few weeks, it will have been watered down.

Sad
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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 28/05/2025 08:15

She is tireless in her pursuit of justice for women, I'm glad she's aware of how much support she's got from women all over the world. Without her championing women's sex based rights the only 'women' the male dominated world would let us have is a man who thinks he's a blow sex doll of a women. It's about time the Utter Nutters recognized we can pick our own champion thank you.

ItisntOver · 29/05/2025 09:48

A remarkable, indefatigable woman, powerful writer and advocate.

Grammarnut · 03/08/2025 22:10

It's a devastating report that shows how little progress has been made in many countries - enough to make anyone weep. I am a little concerned that one act of sexual violence against women is omitted: that of the Hamas attack on Israel on Oct 7th 2023. Alsalem documents Israeli targetting of Palestinian women and women's service so I do not understand the omission of one of the most well-known acts of femicide and rape as genocide that has happened recently, especially as the horrific situation in Sudan is highlighted - a conflict (along with the ongoing horror in Yemen) that the world seems to be ignoring.
The solutions listed to promote equality between men and women are a road-map for the making of a more equal society, which I wish heartily would be implemented soon. Sadly, I think such implementation is unlikely.
Very clear, also, that gender ideology makes everything much worse for women.

IwantToRetire · 04/08/2025 00:53

Alsalem documents Israeli targetting of Palestinian women and women's service so I do not understand the omission of one of the most well-known acts of femicide and rape as genocide that has happened recently,

This keeps coming up, and this is apparently (talk about daft rules) because Israel refused to allow anyone from the UN to enter the country and carry out a fact checking visit. ie comments by the UN are based on facts that the UN has collecting.

This is what undermines the work of the UN. That the rules dont always help. Ot the veto that a few countries have.

Just as it doesn't help Israel that they wont allow any independent journalists into Gaza.

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Grammarnut · 04/08/2025 19:14

IwantToRetire · 04/08/2025 00:53

Alsalem documents Israeli targetting of Palestinian women and women's service so I do not understand the omission of one of the most well-known acts of femicide and rape as genocide that has happened recently,

This keeps coming up, and this is apparently (talk about daft rules) because Israel refused to allow anyone from the UN to enter the country and carry out a fact checking visit. ie comments by the UN are based on facts that the UN has collecting.

This is what undermines the work of the UN. That the rules dont always help. Ot the veto that a few countries have.

Just as it doesn't help Israel that they wont allow any independent journalists into Gaza.

Thank you. I thought that Hamas had broadcast the images of their attack on Oct 7th? Are they not evidence?

IwantToRetire · 04/08/2025 19:33

Grammarnut · 04/08/2025 19:14

Thank you. I thought that Hamas had broadcast the images of their attack on Oct 7th? Are they not evidence?

I dont know the precise guidelines they use.

Even if the Israelis want to have a campaign against the UN you would have hoped they would want to have a report that would be presented to however many nations it is the UN represents.

As it was, it was only because individual feminists in Israel organised themselves to go to the sites of the attacks, to log the evidence of rape and sexual assault, much of it would have been lost.

Whether individuals who took part in the attack live streamed I dont know. Also worth remembering that it wasn't only Hamas who took part. Many of what western media refer to as criminal gangs and smugglers took advantage of the situation.

I didn't say this in my first response, but sadly, however horrific this attack was it is not the worse act of femicide and rape. It is just that in terms of the western media that dont bother to report attacks of equal violence happening is Africa or parts of Asia. And not just one offs.

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IwantToRetire · 04/08/2025 19:37

Have just found this link, which probably answers the question better than I have (if you trust the media)

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250710-un-expert-says-claims-of-systematic-sexual-violence-on-7-october-remain-unverified-as-israel-releases-new-report/

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IwantToRetire · 15/08/2025 02:24

Grammarnut · 04/08/2025 19:14

Thank you. I thought that Hamas had broadcast the images of their attack on Oct 7th? Are they not evidence?

UN to blacklist Hamas for conflict-related sexual violence committed on Oct. 7, towards hostages
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-864103

Co-author of Dinah Project to ‘Post’:‘ Blacklisting Hamas is 'historic justice’ for Oct. 7 victims
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-864267

UN to blacklist Hamas over Oct. 7, hostage sexual violence | The Jerusalem Post

A major player in these efforts that coalesced the evidence and built a pattern model was the Dinah Project, a group of legal and gender experts.

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-864103

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