“Women’s Safety Initiative”: Is anyone familiar with them?

[AdultHumanF]

Does anyone know who’s behind the “Women’s Safety Initiative”? It’s a group that’s suddenly appeared all over my Twitter, and something feels a bit off about it all? For example, most of their posts are about the effect of immigration on women’s safety and not much else?

https://x.com/womensafety_uk/status/1925546607384179125?s=46&t=p6GESSn09HWHVXYgTLIbJg

Anna McGovern
and Jess Gill
according to their GoFundme.

It’s only about immigration

womensafety.uk/about/

Yes. That’s what ringing alarm bells for me.

Why is it ringing alarm bells OP?

Genuine question, I am torn on immigration topics and trying to work it all out.

The framing of immigrant men as a danger to women's safety but no mention of British men, immigrant women and children, and the immigrant men like my DS paediatrician who do a lot of good for us - makes it basically racist.
I'm sure we do have some single immigrant men in our community but we had a large group of families and those needing medical treatment arriving in our area shortly after the Syrian war started and apart from people frothing on FB about it I can't see any negatives in our NW England small town.

Jess Gill says "foreign born men made me feel uncomfortable". So she lives in a utopia where British born men have never made her feel uncomfortable. How nice for her.

Because ALL men potentially pose a risk to women and girls. To imply that any one group is more of a risk based on their ethnicity is racist. The majority of VAWG is interpersonal, I.e. in the home.

Right wing, using women’s safety as a means to push fear and hatred against immigrants.

Surely risk is a statistical question, which has nothing to do with individuals? That is after all the basis on which we say men are a risk.

Thanks for the responses. I’m not sure exactly what WSI stance is but I don’t think it’s racist to say that many other cultures do not have as high an expectation of how women are to be treated as we do in the UK.

I don’t necessarily see this as being all about VAWG, I see it also about attitudes and lower level harassment type behaviours.

I do also think there is a problem with uncontrolled immigration and it would seem plausible that women are affected by this. Is that not what WSI is saying?

It is clearly racist in framing. This isn’t also an area where we can say the statistics are reliable anyway. The majority of male violence against women and girls is within the home and unreported to police.
Do we need to make people entering the country aware of our laws? Yes. Should we be processing applications significantly quicker so young men can get on with their lives and engage with society OR be returned if they don’t qualify, yes?

There is something hugely sinister about the framing of this campaign. But then I’m a veteran of campaigning against the EDL who campaign on a similar platform whilst harbouring convicted criminals (of male violence against women and girls) and paedophiles within their membership.

The thing that is often missed in discussion of some of the grooming gangs is that it wasn’t only the gangs who saw the girls involved as ‘lesser’ due to their backgrounds. It was also the agencies involved. There’s a hefty dose of classism involved there.

But back to the point, they’re a clearly xenophobic group and the promotion of young blonde women within their material seems to appeal to a certain type of supporter.

How is immigration uncontrolled? It's more tightly controlled than at any other time, probably ever, definitely since WW2.

What makes you think we have uncontrolled immigration? If we did immigrants wouldn’t all be stuck in limbo waiting for their claims to be processed, they would be getting on with life.

I thought is was well accepted that we have (had) uncontrolled immigration. Why else would there be plan to address it if it didn’t exist?

www.gov.uk/government/news/prime-minister-unveils-new-plan-to-end-years-of-uncontrolled-migration

It is controlled. They just cut the staffing so low that the processes are backlogged into oblivion. Not everyone is allowed in the country. That’s why people have to apply for asylum. The use of ‘uncontrolled’ in the discourse is inaccurate and done for propaganda purposes.
Anyone genuinely wishing to look into this politically (rather than chasing headlines/reform voters), would add funding and staff to the immigration services and focus on processing the backlog of applications. They would also have taken up the French on their offer of processing applications there.
But no, instead we have this hideous, xenophobic discourse which has contributed to an exodus of staff from the already understaffed NHS. Great.

If the process that controls something is not working then that something is uncontrolled.

It is working. Just not as efficiently as it should be. Ask people in the system if they think it’s uncontrolled!
It is not open doors. If it was we wouldn’t be housing people in hotels, preventing them from earning a living etc.

And the unemployed men living in those hotels are harassing women.

As are any group of men around. I was in the West End recently and a bunch of white English men outside a pub were harassing any women who walked past. It’s really not something limited to one culture. And campaigns like this suggest that British men don’t engage in this behaviour. And they totally do.

Of course.

I still think we need to have an open dialogue about the impact of failure of immigration process/policy on women.

I think people mean one of two things - or both of them - when they talk about uncontrolled immigration.

One is people entering or remaining illegally or illegitimately in some way, particularly when it is large numbers.

The other is legal immigration that is not adequately restrictive around either who is being allowed to enter, or the numbers being allowed to enter.

This group keeping popping up on my Twitter timeline. They seem to be getting a lot of support, but there’s something “AI” about the whole thing?

Aligned to the extreme right wing. Not good.

To imply that any one group is more of a risk based on their ethnicity is racist.
Really?! I'm surprised at this. It's clear that some groups and cultures have differing views on women.

The framing of immigrant men as a danger to women's safety but no mention of British men.
Immigrant men are more dangerous e.g. British women can be quite adept at dealing with British men. There comes a problem when men from other cultures attack women, like in Cologne, with tarharrush. German women, and the Mayor and Police, didn't know what that was or how to deal with it.

Kent County Council, Reform run, has been pushing this instead of supporting previously worked out preventing VAWG work. They voted that out and then pushed this stuff.