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Trump sends free-speech team to interview UK pro life campiagners

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IwantToRetire · 25/05/2025 01:56

Donald Trump sent US officials to meet British pro-life activists over concerns their freedom of speech has been threatened.

A team from the US state department spent days in the country and interviewed campaigners to feed back to the White House.
The five-person team met with five activists who had been arrested for silently protesting outside abortion clinics across Britain.

Washington launched the fact-finding mission after becoming <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.is/o/raXKb/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/01/cases-convinced-trump-white-house-uk-has-no-free-speech/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">concerned about the erosion of free speech in the UK.

The visit is the latest sign of the Trump administration’s willingness to intervene in domestic British affairs.

The diplomats from the US bureau of democracy, human rights and labor (DRL) travelled to London in March in an effort to “affirm the importance of freedom of expression in the UK and across Europe”.

Led by Samuel Samson, a senior adviser in the state department, they met with officials from the Foreign Office and challenged Ofcom on the online Safety Act, which is thought to be a point of contention in the White House.

Elon Musk, the billionaire owner of X and an adviser to Donald Trump, is among those inside the administration said to be concerned about online regulation in the UK.
At the same time, the delegation quietly met with a handful of anti-abortion campaigners at an event held at a “nondescript” office block.

article in full at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2025/05/24/trump-free-speech-team-interview-uk-activists/

And also at https://archive.is/raXKb

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TheAutumnCrow · 25/05/2025 14:45

JamieCannister · 25/05/2025 11:35

Anti-women, anti-choice, anti-women surely?

A pro-life group is all about ensuring free healthcare and gun control and abolition of the death penalty, surely?

Quite. Can't stand the use of 'pro-life' to describe anti-abortion activism and harassment.

Statistics in the UK suggest around 60% of women and girls will have a termination in their reproductive lifetimes, that the majority of them will have early terminations, and that the majority will also be or become mothers. Are these activist nutters really suggesting that vast swathes of mothers in British society are not 'pro-life'?? Stupid, vapid idiots.

Merrymouse · 25/05/2025 16:01

ScholesPanda · 25/05/2025 04:57

I don't agree with this, and I'm not someone who's come here to scold.

But if you do believe in absolute free speech (as some here say they do), surely these zones are an affront to that belief?

I hate Trump and Musk but there is a logic to this.

I don’t believe in absolute free speech, so am quite comfortable with the exclusion zones.

But the odd thing is that Trump has repeatedly demonstrated that he doesn’t believe in absolute free speech either.

JustSawJohnny · 25/05/2025 17:09

ScholesPanda · 25/05/2025 04:57

I don't agree with this, and I'm not someone who's come here to scold.

But if you do believe in absolute free speech (as some here say they do), surely these zones are an affront to that belief?

I hate Trump and Musk but there is a logic to this.

Free speech should not be an excuse to be an absolute cunt of the highest order, which is what these people are.

The distress they cause is huge and I'm so glad the government have put in buffer zones to keep them back.

Dominoodles · 25/05/2025 22:30

Sounds harsh but I do wish he would stick to fucking up his own country and leave us tf alone

Menopausalsourpuss · 25/05/2025 23:34

No, any harassment can be dealt with with existing laws - it is already a crime to harass others in the street. The women Trump is concerned about who were arrested are - one for praying silently (ridiculous) and one for holding a sign saying "here to talk, if you want to." There is evidence that many women are coerced into abortion so it is in effect a feminist issue. Others have abortions as they feel they have no support. I am embarrassed to be British at the moment as are many millions of others.

Merrymouse · 26/05/2025 06:13

Menopausalsourpuss · 25/05/2025 23:34

No, any harassment can be dealt with with existing laws - it is already a crime to harass others in the street. The women Trump is concerned about who were arrested are - one for praying silently (ridiculous) and one for holding a sign saying "here to talk, if you want to." There is evidence that many women are coerced into abortion so it is in effect a feminist issue. Others have abortions as they feel they have no support. I am embarrassed to be British at the moment as are many millions of others.

I am comfortable that both these things are harassment if near an abortion clinic.

The zones just make things clear for everyone.

CurlewKate · 26/05/2025 06:18

ScholesPanda · 25/05/2025 04:57

I don't agree with this, and I'm not someone who's come here to scold.

But if you do believe in absolute free speech (as some here say they do), surely these zones are an affront to that belief?

I hate Trump and Musk but there is a logic to this.

No. There always caveats to protect individuals.

CurlewKate · 26/05/2025 06:20

Menopausalsourpuss · 25/05/2025 23:34

No, any harassment can be dealt with with existing laws - it is already a crime to harass others in the street. The women Trump is concerned about who were arrested are - one for praying silently (ridiculous) and one for holding a sign saying "here to talk, if you want to." There is evidence that many women are coerced into abortion so it is in effect a feminist issue. Others have abortions as they feel they have no support. I am embarrassed to be British at the moment as are many millions of others.

Could you link to the evidence, please?

WhynotJanet · 26/05/2025 06:27

ScholesPanda · 25/05/2025 04:57

I don't agree with this, and I'm not someone who's come here to scold.

But if you do believe in absolute free speech (as some here say they do), surely these zones are an affront to that belief?

I hate Trump and Musk but there is a logic to this.

We don’t have absolute free speech. Shouting racist and antisemitic things at people is against the law. Shouting bomb in a crowd and starting a stampede can get you arrested for endangering life. Maliciously accusing someone on FB of being a paedophile can get you arrested. Should we be able to do these things freely in the name of free speech?

UtopiaPlanitia · 26/05/2025 13:22

Brainworm · 25/05/2025 08:49

Critical theory and the idea that everything needs to be understood through the lens of power and oppression is highly problematic when applied to free speech. If/when this is recognised and addressed, incidents like these should stop arising.

I am not a free speech absolutist and I think the bar for limiting it should be high- but I think that attention needs to be placed on the social media platforms that are publishing and platforming unquestionably damaging and horrific content.

Whilst it is important that we are aware of these examples, I think it’s important to consider how they are being used as a smokescreen and to deflect accountability that platform owners should be taking for what is going on on their platforms. They can no longer claim that regulating content is impossible- they are now pivoting to curtailing of important freedoms.

Archived version of article in The Economist for anyone who wants it:

https://archive.is/PjkrM

Menopausalsourpuss · 26/05/2025 18:38

CurlewKate · 26/05/2025 06:20

Could you link to the evidence, please?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-60646285.amp google is your friend. This survey said that 15% of ALL women (not just women having abortions) are coerced (halfway down the page). The woman who was arrested for peacefully holding a sign saying "here to talk if you want" and was arrested was no doubt aware of that and was trying to help vulnerable women. The state couldn't give a toss about them or their babies as it is cheaper for it for the woman to have an abortion rather than being offered support.

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