Gender identity training at work

[Aaaandanothername]

We're having training at work from these people https://www.ihasco.co.uk/courses/detail/gender-identity-expression-training#contents and wondering what people think? It seems to talk the right talk about biological sex, but doesn't seem to acknowledge (in the blurb at least) that some people don't have a gender identity or see it as a belief.

Did you have to pass the test at the end? That's what worries me, that I'll be challenged on how to answer their multiple choice questions and get them "wrong". My card is already marked for other reasons (not my fault) so am a feeling a bit cautious!

Identify as absent on the day.

It was a while ago, but I think I purposely got quite a few wrong first time and then got them right just to pass the bloody thing and get it off my to do list 😂

I think this might be my experience too

That's absolute rubbish.

Great bloody question.

How is that being respectful of gender critical views?

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic, so any large corporation surely have a duty of care to ensure that all employees are aware of this, to prevent them unwittingly coming into conflict and breaching aspects of this unwittingly?
Just as they would do training about race, disability, sexism, etc?
The test at the end is to ensure people have understood the training

at no point does this training say that you must accept, just be aware and knowledgeable about it?

being gender critical is fine, but this training is there to stop people breaking the law in a place of work/when customer facing

Being gender critical is “fine” and also a protected characteristic and there should be equally training on that.

agreed - also protected
the best training would include both (and in my experience does)
i think the issue is companies cant assume a level of knowledge of their staff, they have to provide training so people aren't unfairly caught up in a situation they are unprepared for

I would bet good money that they are not doing training about the other protected characteristics though.

Interesting. Have you actually done training which covers both the gender identity and gender critical POV?

yes

Can you tell us more about it? Was it run by an external training provider?

That's great. Who provided it?

But gender identity is not a protected characteristic.

If this training is just correctly explaining the law and employer’s duties, that is good.

If it is forcing employees to agree to a set of beliefs about gender identity, that doesn’t sound legal.

Some people can afford to take a stand, challenge workplace practice. If you’re close to retirement, have a supportive boss, are prepared to Forstater it all the way to employment tribunal. Others don’t have that option. OP is in an organisation that mandates gender identity training and has her card marked. Just get through it @Aaaandanothername, get a ‘pass’ and tick it off the list. You can take action on the bollocks by getting involved in something like the Women’s Rights Network without risking your livelihood.

Oh my goodness , I just clicked on the link, I would rather poke my own eyes out than listen to that bollocks!

’How some people can use a ‘one size fits all’ mentality when they should not’. Pure word salad, I’m afraid I would have gone down with some terrible disease on the day that training happened!

This isn’t about a cultural shift, it’s about a sexist, regressive, misogynistic ideology being pushed in the workplace, and if you refuse to take part there will no doubt be consequences of a negative kind. That’s bullying.

Why is it rubbish? You’ve heard of AGP I take it?

Quote from the site we’ll provide users with some simple ways they can actively show their support to the trans community.

That would be a big 'no' from me.

I agree and struggle with JKRs "dress however you please". I find it offensive for men to wear women's clothing. Especially when I've been unwillingly forced to wear some of that clothing at times. I also think it makes women less safe; the clothing can be a disguise.

If only workplaces did offer disability training, but the truth is that the vast majority of them don’t. There are 16 million disabled people in this country versus a handful of trans people, yet all we ever hear about is how difficult life is for this tiny minority, and disabled people just get left to get on with it.

There’s no raising awareness in the NHS for disabled people, no lanyards, yet the NHS must treat millions of disabled people whilst most have never even met a trans person. It’s a ridiculous social construct that rots people’s brains.

If women can wear trousers, have tattoos then men can wear dresses and lipstick. I miss the 80s when everyone dressed as outlandishly as they liked. Men in makeup looked good, bur they were still men.

Yes. This training is all part of the assault on women's rights and child safeguarding where self interested adults provide training to the workforce designed to challenge reality, misrepresent the law (see all Stonewall training) and create a climate of fear and intimidation that results in the removal of the rights of others. The outcome is to enforce distorted views of sex, sexuality and identity on an unconsenting workforce.

Nobody should be going to work to support one over privileged group of individuals over other staff. That's a clear breach of an employer's Public Sector Equality Duty.