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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/05/2025 17:38

storminabuttercup · 24/05/2025 17:31

They don’t want a forth space they want to use the women’s.

if it was really about feeling safe would they be pissed off about this?

they can fuck off

We need to normalise saying that it's OK for trans people not to get everything they want.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/05/2025 17:42

When my son was in a wheelchair after having an accident and he was in Charing Cross Hospital, I used to take him out for lunch in his wheelchair. Honestly, there was only one pub nearby which had a disabled toilet and ramp access to the pub. The conflation of trans and disabled is ridiculous.

AInightingale · 24/05/2025 20:36

To be honest it makes me furious to hear politicians and bosses with their blithe suggestions that trans people should use the disabled toilets. Isn't it bad enough that cross-dressing men have invaded women's toilets (there aren't enough of these to begin with) without them being invited to colonise the disabled facilities as well?! I hope disabled people are vocal in their opposition to this, maybe they need to adapt the slogan to 'Our toilets aren't yours to give away.' It's a shockingly insensitive and inconsiderate position for policy makers to take.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 24/05/2025 20:53

Of course disabled people are in a much worse situation than a cross dresser or transvestite. They are probably crippled and not able to get better or improve like my son.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/05/2025 21:27

potpourree · 24/05/2025 13:39

If you're a believer of gender, then male loos will have both men and women in. As will female ones. So why is a male one any worse than a female one, in their view? They're both mixed-gender.

Exactly. It’s about validation, not safety or privacy.

MarieDeGournay · 25/05/2025 15:44

Having scolded us for years for being 'obsessed with toilets', the trans response to the Supreme Court ruling seems to be obsessed with...toilets.
So that's what the T in LGBTQ+ stands for😄

ForestAtTheSea · 25/05/2025 17:26

I was so surprised by the Guardian article (shouldn't have been, probably 😑)
For years, people with a disability have explained that since the disabled toilets are often rare, it is vital that they are quickly accessible - I am not only talking about the UK but it is a problem in other countries, too, and especially older buildings don't always have one. It is very strange to read that disability campaigners now openly invite trans people (mostly men) into these places, and I see another forced teaming going on since the SC ruling (first the tm, and the masculine looking women, now the people with a disability?). It is the way they are speaking about discrimination.

The examples where someone is both, trans and with a disability, they can of course use them on the basis of the disability.

The background that if you class neurodiversity as disability (not everyone does), which tunes in with a higher likelihood to be captured by trans philosophy due to the feeling of not fitting in, is also not properly explained, though The Guardian knows about the new screening for autism etc at Gender Dysphoria clinics.

The other reason for a connection between them both are physical disabilities or at least problems brought on by cross-sex hormones, blockers and surgery.

Both of these backgrounds are ignored by the article, too, though these are two main points why trans and disability can overlap. The way this is written reads as if there was a magical connection out of nowhere.

JackdawRoost · 25/05/2025 17:47

The idea of pissing or shitting myself waiting for a disabled toilet while an able bodied male flaps about in his skirt and touches up his lipgloss in there makes me RAGE.

Such men couldn't make it any clearer, how little they care about anyone else's legitimate struggles. I'm done with all this male entitlement, it's still exactly that even if it's dressed in a fur coat and fishnets.

SinnerBoy · 26/05/2025 07:09

I have to say that I'm mystified by all this TEZ performative weeping and ranting; didn't Himdia brag recently about scuttling past the unisex toilets, so that HD could deliberate the ladies? I see that others here have suggested unisex toilets, are they invisible to TEZs?

Shitlord · 26/05/2025 07:22

Let them continue. Little on prisons, SA centres, refuges, medical records being accurate to avoid sex specific screening being missed and other points, sports, these sorts of practical outcomes. The fixation with using women's toilets rather than looking for a way forward looks more and more illustrative. It's about validation. In time we will have an honest conversation about why but for now it's useful information gathering about this behaviour.

Shitlord · 26/05/2025 07:27

I wondered about a card (don't bother to reference WW2, there are loads of cards for minorities, radar key, baby on board, disabled seats etc etc and people can carry, not wear it). To show if challenged in the sex appropriate toilets

colourmystic · 26/05/2025 07:38

Any 'third spaces' are just a public meeting room for fetishist men, 'femboys', and other creeps to cluster together and make a mess. No woman regardless of her 'gender identity' is going anywhere near them, they're going to be absolutely vile.

colourmystic · 26/05/2025 07:41

MarieDeGournay · 25/05/2025 15:44

Having scolded us for years for being 'obsessed with toilets', the trans response to the Supreme Court ruling seems to be obsessed with...toilets.
So that's what the T in LGBTQ+ stands for😄

Yeah, apparently we're the ones obsessed with toilets and genitals. It's only obsession when women raise genuine anger in response to documented instances of men assaulting women in public places.

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