Trans toilet protest

[ArabellaScott]

https://www.thecanary.co/uk/news/2025/05/21/transactual-third-toilet/

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Dear lord, BBH?! One of the most expensive design agencies in the country - now much did that cost? I thought the trans were all poor oppressed things? Sack the bloody design team that worked on this shit concept. It doesn't work. If you want to move away from toilets being the focus don't show toilets as the focus you raving, gender-addled grievance* idiots!
(*nods to Barry)

Oh really?! I hadnt grasped that they actually paid someone for this. Oh, my days.

And this design firm is supposed.to be reputable, are they?! 😂

I guess it can be refurbished for the next piss protest. Maybe a carnival float parade, with loo roll streamers, toilet duck face, and a bevvy of moob flashers?

There's space on the line up.

Practically speaking I would guess that there is a Costa within 5 minute’s walking distance from the Suprene Court and they usually have unisex loos.

I'm not sure if someone has paid for it or if BBH (who once were a highly reputable agency, famous for ad campaigns like Levis in the 1980s) has donated creative work hours out of the kindness of their hearts?!

Where are trans people supposed to go?

Transmen - the ladies
Transwomen - as with all biological males, partly in the toilet, partly on the floor around the toilet (but always in the gents, please).

Only a man could decide quite deliberately to present as a woman, put a skirt and makeup on and grow his hair out, then whine about men's bogs being 'too dangerous' to enter. It's an entirely self-inflicted problem and I've no sympathy whatsoever for them, and I don't see why firms should beggar themselves providing 'third spaces'. If a third space really is needed, it's family toilets for parents etc.

We need to move the conversation on from ridiculous things like bathrooms and onto the things that matter. And that is the safety of trans people everywhere.

Blimey. Saying the quiet part out loud. Women and girls don't matter. Only the people men with special identities.

Round the U bend?

If it's dangerous for a transwoman to be in a male loo why is it not dangerous for men to be in women's loos?

Tsk, we've been told time and time again that using logic is NOT FAIR.

Hilarious when you consider if the vast majority of them actually used the thing, all the Be Kinders would change their minds at the reality of 6ft Jonathan standing like a docker with his wang hanging out of his fishnets.

Christ. We're just talking about a bloody unisex toilet. These men need to get a fucking grip.

As soon as the updated guidance is published we'll have to go through all this again.

Fortunately the actual protesting lends itself to the argument for single sex spaces more than anything else. Who wants these violent, shouty, angry men in their spaces??

But it's bloody tedious while it's ongoing.

And I hope the EHCR recognises that it's really fuck all to do with toilets, and all about how dare they confirm that women shouldn't be validation tools for these men.

The magical trans sparkledust thrown by the good fairies of inclusive feminism erases all their maleness.

If you're a believer of gender, then male loos will have both men and women in. As will female ones. So why is a male one any worse than a female one, in their view? They're both mixed-gender.

Yes, your ‘gender’ is just a feeling you have on the inside which no one can verify. Just a conviction in your heart of hearts, based on zero experience of what anyone except yourself feels like in their heart of hearts.

All toilets are mixed gender according to this philosophy. And therefore a person is as likely to meet a person of any of the 10 million new genders in the toilets. Because your gender is just an internal vibe.

I don’t think about my gender, I don’t think I have one particularly. But I do have a sex which I can’t change. And I don’t want men in women’s spaces and I don’t think I have to justify why. I don’t want you in there, get over it.

Typical disingenuous article from The Groaniad.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/24/disabled-campaigners-trans-people-toilet-segregation
Conflating the trans people with disabled people is the lowest of the low. I have a disabled son who uses a crutch to walk and often complains about steps going up to restaurants or disabled loos not being available.

That Guardian article makes me fume.

Because we're too nice to them...

Yes exactly.

And the group that everyone doesn't give a second thought about, when squabbling about all this either.

Like disabled people have a choice. Trans identification is a choice. No-one forced these men to leave the house in a frock, take oestrogen to grow 'breasts', carry a handbag. Own your choices and use the men's.

“The vast majority of disabled people are so aware of what it feels like to be excluded from basic facilities. I need a hoist to get out of my wheelchair, so if there’s not a Changing Place where I’m visiting then I can’t go.”

Yes there should definitely be more provision of accessible toilets, and this is a sex based issue, because it's more difficult for women to e.g. use a bottle to urinate discreetly if they can't get out of a wheel chair. However, there are toilets for trans people to use. The problem is they don't want to use them. I do agree that the situation for some trans men is unclear. (there seems to be a universal pattern here - seems to have something to do with women and toilets).

"Inclusion London also raised the concern that the ruling and the EHRC’s interim advice, which set out that transgender people should not be allowed to use toilets of the gender they live as, and that in some cases they also cannot use toilets of their birth sex, “encourages members of the public to police each other based on what we look like”."

How is this supposed to be a change?

“I can only use the wheelchair accessible toilets now, but I’ve been challenged numerous times over the years in the women’s toilets, sometimes aggressively, because I’m non gender-conforming.”

So apparently it isn't a change.

I agree that accessible toilets should not be used by people who don't need them.

They don’t want a forth space they want to use the women’s.

if it was really about feeling safe would they be pissed off about this?

they can fuck off

The situation of disabled people is very much more serious and their lack of access when they go out than a transvestite who wants to use the ladies. The Groaniad article appears not to understand this.