Houses of Parliament refuses to ban trans women from female lavatories

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A spokesman told The Telegraph that the House of Commons would be waiting for guidance from the Equality and Human Rights Commission before changing its rules.

He said they wanted to ensure that all are treated in an “inclusive manner”. The House of Lords said it would be adopting a similar approach.

“Like many organisations, we are awaiting full guidance from the EHRC on this issue.

“However, in advance of that we are reviewing the facilities that are available on the estate and providing support to colleagues where needed. We are committed to treating all those who work in or visit Parliament with respect, and in an inclusive manner.”

Asked why the Commons had decided not to follow the EHRC’s interim guidance, the spokesman said there was no comment.

A spokesman for the House of Lords said the Upper House was “taking a similar approach to the House of Commons”.

From a much longer article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/houses-of-parliament-refuse-ban-trans-women-female-toilets/

Can also be read in full at https://archive.is/0jQK3

I do mind because if you were more informed and less irrational, you could actually be useful for real activity on this front. But your ignorance let's you down and more importantly, would hurt the cause.

I know what I am on about.
Schools are in a mess with this because the DfE school specific brief has meant manufacturers have been producing designs that don’t work well with existing health and safety regulations. A lot of mums of here also agree - due to the practical realities of what is happening in schools. Education is under different regulations for design.

It really isn’t pointless talking about it on here. It’s the opposite. It has informed a lot of my research I have done into toilet safety.

You need to look at Document T for work places and public venues.

You are making absolutely no sense at all, mate. But I know you know that.

Mums on mumsnet aren't necessarily actualy getting involved with this and won't. If you ask woder society, They.Dont.Care.

You do realise the number of people with 'queer' identities needing all this special catering for and special language and pretty much instruction manuals is less than 1% of the population? And the massive majority are able to know if they're male/female without any issue or interest in all this? And just want single sex spaces with no space cadets playing silly buggers in them?

You can have toilets which say Femme and NBs if NBs have a problem with femme and masc.

Your inability to absorb information that challenges you isnt my proble. Your limitations don't alter reality.

I think you have a lot of probles, mate.

But yes, this bitch ain't one.

"My guess is that the HoP, spineless as ever, are very wary about implementing an actual ban because of the backlash such an announcement might cause."
What would happen if actual women who worked in the Houses of Parliament complained about the presence of men in the women's toilets?
(And, moreover had reason to complain, as per the Sandie Peggie case.)
The son of a friend worked at the House of Commons in a non-politicial role. He met a number of trans people while there.
'Loads of trans people work here," he said, in a quite approving way.
But then he is a bloke who may not have had to share toilet facilities with people of the opposite sex.

Your last paragraph is untrue. The majority of women polled don't care and feel that TW should have the safety of women's spaces. If the majority of women really felt like they didn't want TW in toilets and refuges and things, they'd never have been there. Women's have consistently campaigned for gay rights and now theyre doing the same for trans rights. Indigenous Western women are some of the biggest allies of trans rights.

Edited to say, response to above reply to me!…

This doesn’t quite address my comment, which was a suggestion that you use your understanding - your knowledge & experience - to respond more directly to specific [what you would perhaps call] misapprehensions on our part. Well-argued interrogation of our citations, stats etc. may be more like to convince us of your understanding of the ruling than repeated assertions about its meaning.

The Quakers are at it too.

They're going to continue with "inclusive toilets" as it's impossible to guarantee people will follow the rules, apparently.

Should we take that approach to all laws? If it's impossible to guarantee 100% compliance, we just shouldn't bother even trying?

If actual women cared enough and didn't support transwomen in their spaces, it would help immensely. But they either don't care enough, feel it isnt a priority and other things are, or fully support them in single sex spaces.

Thats why this is all a debate and needs clarification.

Oh honey now you're just obviously making stuff up.

I'm really not. The biggest supporters of trans rights are white women.

This not true and is the reason why we are starting to see a backlash -- many people, both in the general public and posters here, do not believe transwomen are women.
They do believe in biology, however.

Posters here? Maybe. Not many of them will be politically or socially active about it. And just because someone doesnt believe you can change sex, it doesnt mean they think its important enough to actually do anything about it. So no, they wint sign anything, go anywhere, wear anything or write to anyone about the matter. They have other fish to fry and consider them to be bigger.

Are you aware that the women of FWS who took the case to the Supreme Court met on mumsnet. Or that a group of mumsnet users carried out an audit of NHS policies that has been widely reported on in the press

People here have read Part T 2024 of Schedule 1 to the Building Regulations 2010. Have you?

Or did you miss the bit that says
The objective of this requirement is to require toilet accommodation in non-residential buildings to be separate single-sex toilets, with single-sex shared or individual hand-washing facilities. ?

That's pretty clear, isn't it?

Rubbish as proven time and time again by polls.

You clearly haven't read the report properly. Also the trend in all these polls in the last 5 years has shown that support for the trans ideology is shrinking markedly.

In the field out the back

@Helleofabore has done some fantastic work crunching the numbers to show the decline in support for trans activist demands over the period 2018 to the last independent yougov survey.

Most women want to be kind. But also most women don't want mixed sex open plan/no cubicles changing rooms where you have to change workclothes in the presence of male coworkers.

This is why there is the backlash. Who thought they could bully women this way? And any employer that forces their female employees to change in the presence of male coworkers need to be sued for sex discrimination.

Even Pink News reports that the public supports SC ruling.

www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/20/sex-matters-yougov-poll-suprme-court/