Houses of Parliament refuses to ban trans women from female lavatories

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A spokesman told The Telegraph that the House of Commons would be waiting for guidance from the Equality and Human Rights Commission before changing its rules.

He said they wanted to ensure that all are treated in an “inclusive manner”. The House of Lords said it would be adopting a similar approach.

“Like many organisations, we are awaiting full guidance from the EHRC on this issue.

“However, in advance of that we are reviewing the facilities that are available on the estate and providing support to colleagues where needed. We are committed to treating all those who work in or visit Parliament with respect, and in an inclusive manner.”

Asked why the Commons had decided not to follow the EHRC’s interim guidance, the spokesman said there was no comment.

A spokesman for the House of Lords said the Upper House was “taking a similar approach to the House of Commons”.

From a much longer article at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/20/houses-of-parliament-refuse-ban-trans-women-female-toilets/

Can also be read in full at https://archive.is/0jQK3

Are you saying that everyone knew Upton was trans? How could they tell?

I wonder if any MP or other worker in the HOC will challenge this.

I fear no one will. What do you think?

Upton is openly trans.

So you can't be arsed to check anything.

Well that speaks volumes.

Upton is biologically female. Upton said so under oath in court.

Your comment doesn't answer the significant methodological issues with the paper, and neither does it explain why you posted it as being convincing of:

You see most of our research showed that the women of the general public do not fear mixed sex toilets and don't mind transwomen using them. So that's why we concluded that the whole toilet thing really wasn't going to change any minds.

If this is the quality of your 'research' that you and your organisation make policy and strategy decisions on, I think that it shows you use poor quality research.

Kemi works in parliament.

Is he? His GMC record says female and he tells people he's female and he certainly doesn't inform his patients that he's trans

We used a range of research,surveying women in a range of ways. On the whole they didn't care, especially younger women. They won't be having anything to do with this kind of campaign.

Where is that research published please?

And you focused on younger women? Why on earth did you do that? Because older women don't count?

"i conducted a 'survey' using a methodology I'm not going to tell you and isn't possibly biased in anyway. I'm going to ignore surveys done by yougov and other professional pollsters which might contradict my superior powers of talking bollocks on the internet".

No we didn't focus on younger women, the data showed that overall, younger women are more likely to support Trans RRights.we look for trends. Young white women were most likely to be supportive and active politically in support of trans people.

At the anonymity hearing, Dr Upton said that they would be “outed” as trans if publicly identified with the case,

Upton applied to be anonymous in the Sandie Peggie hearing as he didn't want to be outed as trans. Not sure why he wanted to do that if he was openly trans

We decdie what to do based on literature reviews of research you know like proper academics? So we don't do A survey. We look what research there is and may conduct more. Sometimes we see what the people present think as not everyone feels exactly the same way.

AND I am going to link up some poor methodological research from 2016 to prove my point. While claiming that my organisation dismissed female people's concerns because of research findings like I posted. While claiming my organisation is up to date and caring about female people's needs.

So did you or didn't you do a professionally outsourced survey?

Not a criticism of the OP, especially as the reference is rightly to 'trans women' rather than 'trans people', but I wonder if we need to stop using the language that's used throughout the media on this issue? Ie 'banning'.
Should we be centering women rather than centering trans identified males? So instead of talking about 'banning trans women' we say something like 'refuses to provide single sex toilets for women'.
It makes it clearer what the issue is, especially perhaps for lurkers who may not be quite clear that a trans woman is male.

Upton didn't transition until 2022. What he didn't want is for his face and name to be all over the papers so literally anyone in the world could find them and know they are a trans person. People at work knew. It wasn't a secret in that sense.

So, you based your strategy and your focus from looking at groups that are known to be more trans supportive and you then make broad population claims?

We've done several and we have reviewed several. Women don't care and the majority will not be actively supportive of creating female only spaces that exclude trans people.

No we find out who is most likely to be supportive and why that might be. That helps us to determine how we should tackle that supprt and perhaps, perhaps, change minds. The reasons why young white women supportive trans rights are different to say, the type of man who supports trans rights. That's important to understand.

And yet, the two papers you posted as evidence are out of date. You are making assertions that you cannot support at all.

I would suggest that you don't consider your organisation one that takes pride in accuracy and strong evidence if the two papers you posted is the standard you use.

Yes. And this is precisely why we have things called peer reviews, to weed out all the stuff by 'proper academics' which is utter bollocks due to some flaw or other.

Don't try it on with the 'know your place I'm an academic and you can't question me' shite.

You'll get short shrift on MN.

You've already used the patronising and belittling 'just a bunch of mums' line once...

What are you talking about? Stop reaching.

The same is true of almost all trans people. Everyone knows they are trans.