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Transactivists fully aware that single sex provision did not apply to those with GRC in 2016

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PriOn1 · 20/05/2025 20:34

I saw this Government Response to the Women and Equalities Committee Report on Transgender Equality on another platform today. This was the 2015-16 review that led to the abortive attempt to bring in self-ID, but take a look at Recommendation 12.

Recommendation 12
We recommend that the Equality Act be amended so that the occupational requirements provision and / or the single-sex / separate services provision shall not apply in relation to discrimination against a person whose acquired gender has been recognized under the Gender Recognition Act 2004.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a817d0ced915d74e62328a3/Government_Response_to_the_Women_and_Equalities_Committee_Report_on_Transgender_Equality.pdf

The government’s response makes it clear some groups were already offering services to men who claimed they were women, but whichever trans groups advised the Women and Equalities Committee at this stage 100% knew and accepted that men with a GRC could be excluded from single sex services.

The cynicism of their performance since then is off the scale.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a817d0ced915d74e62328a3/Government_Response_to_the_Women_and_Equalities_Committee_Report_on_Transgender_Equality.pdf

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Igmum · 21/05/2025 12:49

Thanks Pr1On. There are absolutely some very clever and well resourced TRAs. It also matches with Maya’s account of the way TRA groups revised the advice on implementing the EA2010. We need to be alert to that policy intervention continuing.

(There are also plenty of daft soft idiot TRAs and fortunately some parts of the media are now wise to this.)

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/05/2025 13:43

PriOn1 · 20/05/2025 20:34

I saw this Government Response to the Women and Equalities Committee Report on Transgender Equality on another platform today. This was the 2015-16 review that led to the abortive attempt to bring in self-ID, but take a look at Recommendation 12.

Recommendation 12
We recommend that the Equality Act be amended so that the occupational requirements provision and / or the single-sex / separate services provision shall not apply in relation to discrimination against a person whose acquired gender has been recognized under the Gender Recognition Act 2004.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a817d0ced915d74e62328a3/Government_Response_to_the_Women_and_Equalities_Committee_Report_on_Transgender_Equality.pdf

The government’s response makes it clear some groups were already offering services to men who claimed they were women, but whichever trans groups advised the Women and Equalities Committee at this stage 100% knew and accepted that men with a GRC could be excluded from single sex services.

The cynicism of their performance since then is off the scale.

Yes, watch the oral evidence given to the Trans Equality Inquiry set up by Maria Miller in 2015, I think you can still view it. It’s very clear that they knew this. The start of the opposite happening took place when the government contracted Gendered Intelligence to write the guidance following the Inquiry, the WESC’s recommendations and the subsequent government report declining to pursue most of those recommendations. These guidelines were meant to be a sop to TRAs to centre “trans voices”.

BundleBoogie · 21/05/2025 13:49

Yes. Stonewall spent years simultaneously claiming that SSEs should be abolished because they did apply to trans people and also that they didn’t exist.

Dishonest is not the word for them.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/05/2025 13:51

BundleBoogie · 21/05/2025 13:49

Yes. Stonewall spent years simultaneously claiming that SSEs should be abolished because they did apply to trans people and also that they didn’t exist.

Dishonest is not the word for them.

This.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 21/05/2025 14:09

In which case, we need to know why GC lobbyists hopped on this and why did they expand and spread this idea by talking about “legal sex”? Why were women like Alessandra Asteriti and Kate Coleman shouted down for saying what we now have confirmed by the Supreme Court?

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