Tortoise - The Tavistock

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Anyone else listened to this? I’ve just started and I’m getting frustrated by the pussy footing about and soft-soap apologetic attitude to the young men.

One young male is just going through his ‘sorry’ and just ticks all the boxes if a gay child (he was ten, getting all his info from you tube and online gaming, chatting online with three kids - maybe kids who knows online - who all came out as trans at the same time). No questioning, no challenging, no pushback (you say you are mostly female - how can you know this as a man?).

Now they are going in about AFAB for a boy. Saying it’s offensive to ask a ‘they’ how they are trans because it’s so offensive to ask and horrific to be mispronounced. Disrespectful to call a girl as she?

Is the presenter a twit or a scaredy cat? Constantly referring to a woman’s daughter (who mum calls her daughter and ‘she’) as ‘he’ after much handwringing and excusing herself.

constantly talking about how ‘offended’ trans people are about everything. No ‘offence’ for the women who are told they are just a load of stereotypes so any male can be one.

Threads come up mentioning the podcast from time to time but this was the longest discussion:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4688263-tortoise-media-podcast-the-tavistock

You'll find plenty of discussion about the pussyfooting.

I listened to it recently. The presenter explains how she is trying to remain neutral. She does pussyfoot but thought it's worth sticking with it.

She talks a great deal to Polly Carmichael and the whole thing is worth the listen for that. This woman has slunk back into the shadows but she is responsible for experimenting on healthy children's bodies. At one point the presenter says Charmichael carries her responsibility lightly, as she chuckles about the mess she's made. I came away thinking she's a quiet psychopath.

By the end the presenter's views are clearly disgust at what's happened, despite her attempts at neutrality. I think her pussyfooting is an attempt to not offend or alienate the people who have agreed to talk with her on record.

Thanks - I wonder if she would be quite for soft soapy if she was recording it today? I was getting quite cross at the young man at the beginning - did no one ever tell him he was perfect as he was and that a man can be ‘70-80% feminine’ if he wants and it doesn’t make him a medical intervention case? And to get off the bloody internet at ten years of age!

The use of the ‘spectrum of gender’ reminded me of the merfolks Barbie to GI Joe slide.

I was also disappointed at the lack of info about Mermaids influence.

I'd like to know who brought about the non-professional referral system and the thinking behind it, considering its impact on waiting lists. Particularly given that waiting lists were held up as the problem, rather than gender ideology itself.

Funnily enough, I listened to this series for the first time this week. I was frustrated by the pussyfooting and handwringing, but I do think she got more and more horrified by the complete absence of critical thinking and safeguarding as the series went on. The final episode with Helen Webberley was something else.

Wonder what the follow would be with the NHS ‘treating’
toddlers…