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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Methods for actively creating change: Feedback and suggestions solicited.

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colourmystic · 18/05/2025 06:32

Heyo, so my last two major efforts were founding the first State-based offshoot of one of Australia's more influential feminist organisations (can't take too much credit for it but it's still active and paved the way for four other states to form their own offshoots), and writing the first independent guidelines on sex and gender in schools (good work, thorough, wide distribution, plz request link if interested).
Circumstances, life etc, now re-entering the active field and considering actions with maximum potential impact for efficient investment.

Thinking: Most of my favourite YouTube channels are ignorantly very pro-gender-ideology and have significant reach. Thought worthwhile to prepare tailored outline of numerous tangible and physical harms caused by gender ideology in an effort to provoke a re-evaluation of their positions.

Feedback? Other suggestions? All appreciated.

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DrJump · 18/05/2025 06:39

I think really we need in Australia a very strong lobbing to have sex be the key component of our Sex discrimination Act rather than gender ID. I do not know how to so this but I guess it's long term lobbying.

What organisation did you found?

colourmystic · 18/05/2025 09:25

DrJump · 18/05/2025 06:39

I think really we need in Australia a very strong lobbing to have sex be the key component of our Sex discrimination Act rather than gender ID. I do not know how to so this but I guess it's long term lobbying.

What organisation did you found?

No group or individual here has enough power to lobby for a corrective amendment to bloody Gillard's 1994 catastrophic amendment which made all of this nightmare possible.
I don't know if I want to share more personal information in a thread? But messages are fine.
What do you think about trying to turn big YouTubers? They have a LOT of reach.

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Wetoldyousaurus · 18/05/2025 09:35

I suppose my question is, what do you want to turn the YouTubers to? There has to be a goal. The law change is a good goal. Banning youth gender medicalisation is a good goal. Getting gender ideology out of school curricula is a good goal.

colourmystic · 18/05/2025 10:38

Wetoldyousaurus · 18/05/2025 09:35

I suppose my question is, what do you want to turn the YouTubers to? There has to be a goal. The law change is a good goal. Banning youth gender medicalisation is a good goal. Getting gender ideology out of school curricula is a good goal.

My goal here would be to stop media creators with reach in the hundreds of thousands to millions, from continuing to actively promote gender identity ideology as a necessary, overdue, and wholly beneficial thing.
Channels like Mormon Stories Podcast, hosted by Dr John Dehlin - 283,000 subs, enormously respected in the exMormon and mental health fields, and in every other way a staunch and active feminist. Yet on every single upload, which are frequent and often include other influential people, trans privileges are described in glowing terms.
I think that trying to turn people like Dehlin, and other creators of a similar status and reach, a significant attitudinal change might be accomplished.

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DrJump · 18/05/2025 10:49

I guess I'm not sure I understand the benefit. Is it that you think that changes these peoples means will create change via lobbying, voting, ???
Wouldn't amplifing already outspoken people do more. Help provide legitimacy.

colourmystic · 18/05/2025 11:23

DrJump · 18/05/2025 10:49

I guess I'm not sure I understand the benefit. Is it that you think that changes these peoples means will create change via lobbying, voting, ???
Wouldn't amplifing already outspoken people do more. Help provide legitimacy.

Maybe I feel like it has to be the majority. It's still a very small and persecuted minority that's figured it out so far; we need more people, basically. If John Dehlin, for example, actually stopped mindlessly regurgitating rainbows, maybe thirty thousand more people would see the problem, and maybe ten of those would start working to prevent the complete dissolution of women's human rights. Two of that ten might be CEOs, or journalists, or in other influential positions.
Also, it constantly shits me that otherwise rational people believe absolute garbage because they've had no push to think critically about the issue. It offends me. Truth has an innate value that should be fought for.

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ForestAtTheSea · 18/05/2025 19:17

For the youtubers, apart from preparing good argumentation, look at their sponsors and cooperators. There you might have more success with showing them different viewpoints and perhaps also the legal developments in the UK, which could set a psychological precedent for cases elsewhere (even if Tickle vs Giggle is still ongoing).
If there are Youtubers of whom you think that they are in the end decent people who are "only" captured about this singular topic, can you find contradictions in their work which would make them reconsider?

colourmystic · 19/05/2025 02:06

ForestAtTheSea · 18/05/2025 19:17

For the youtubers, apart from preparing good argumentation, look at their sponsors and cooperators. There you might have more success with showing them different viewpoints and perhaps also the legal developments in the UK, which could set a psychological precedent for cases elsewhere (even if Tickle vs Giggle is still ongoing).
If there are Youtubers of whom you think that they are in the end decent people who are "only" captured about this singular topic, can you find contradictions in their work which would make them reconsider?

Yes quite so, about the contradictions. That's why I think they're good candidates for approach. Dehlin for example is legitimately a decent feminist in most ways, so I think he's never seen any of the real data on gender ideology.

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RethinkingLife · 19/05/2025 07:13

Some useful discussion of how people need to be influenced by people who are at least adjacent to the community on any particular contentious topic.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/09/convince-anti-vaxxers

DragonRunor · 19/05/2025 07:27

I think Magdalen Berns probably changed some minds. Humour is always a good approach - and there’s so much material available to work with!

sashh · 19/05/2025 07:46

DrJump · 18/05/2025 06:39

I think really we need in Australia a very strong lobbing to have sex be the key component of our Sex discrimination Act rather than gender ID. I do not know how to so this but I guess it's long term lobbying.

What organisation did you found?

Could you start with healthcare?

These poor trans people are not getting adequate care because their medical notes say their gender not their biological sex.

Medicines / treatments that are sex specific include, the obvious, prostate, smear and breast screening.

But it also matters what sex you are for lung function tests, some X-rays.

Medicines like methotrexate that causes birth defects so when it is prescribed to a woman contraception is prescribed as well.

Osteoporosis treatment, particularly as trans people are more at risk than the general population.

ECG and echo tests ideally need your sex to give a complete report.

Even dentistry can be sex specific.

We shouldn't need to pander, or 'be kind' but sometimes it works, very carefully conducted obviously.

colourmystic · 25/05/2025 09:03

DragonRunor · 19/05/2025 07:27

I think Magdalen Berns probably changed some minds. Humour is always a good approach - and there’s so much material available to work with!

I've heard from many women who were directly turned by Berns and that's a great suggestion. I can both write and play several instruments to a passable degree so I'll seriously consider this approach, thank you.

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colourmystic · 25/05/2025 09:07

sashh · 19/05/2025 07:46

Could you start with healthcare?

These poor trans people are not getting adequate care because their medical notes say their gender not their biological sex.

Medicines / treatments that are sex specific include, the obvious, prostate, smear and breast screening.

But it also matters what sex you are for lung function tests, some X-rays.

Medicines like methotrexate that causes birth defects so when it is prescribed to a woman contraception is prescribed as well.

Osteoporosis treatment, particularly as trans people are more at risk than the general population.

ECG and echo tests ideally need your sex to give a complete report.

Even dentistry can be sex specific.

We shouldn't need to pander, or 'be kind' but sometimes it works, very carefully conducted obviously.

Excellent points but I do know that the medical front in Australia is being tackled from within , by women with more specific knowledge than I can obtain in a reasonable time frame. Australia did recently refuse to return a minor girl to her mother after the courts learned that the father's objection included the mother's insistence on pursuing mastectomy etc, that was in Queensland so almost certainly a result of Kat Karena's decades of tireless endeavour in the field.

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DragonRunor · 27/05/2025 22:15

colourmystic · 25/05/2025 09:03

I've heard from many women who were directly turned by Berns and that's a great suggestion. I can both write and play several instruments to a passable degree so I'll seriously consider this approach, thank you.

Come back and tell us what you do - I’d love to see/share

Good luck

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