Trans toddlers......

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‘Trans toddlers’ allowed gender treatment on NHS

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/1502309cba7288df

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What the actual fuck.

The whole thing is so regressive. Both DD and I were obsessed with cars as toddlers (spoiler alert, we're both Autistic). Luckily I grew up in a time when it just meant I liked playing with cars.

DD did too in her toddler years, but by the time she was 9, it had been suggested to her at school that she might be a boy, on the basis that she she wore trousers and shorts!

I almost always chose trousers and trainers for DD so that she had the same freedom of movement and unrestricted physical play as boys are given. It turned out a few years later, that allowing her to be herself has put her at increased of physical and emotional harm.

More than ever it is not acceptable for girls to like 'boys' things to the extent that it is strongly suggested to them that they are, in fact, boys. The same is true for the reverse, but as we had not reached the same freedoms of choice for small boys, this is not proving such issue for them.

I cannot believe that this restrictive, harmful, illogical ideology is still seen as the kind option. i cannot get over the absurdity of it. I cannot believe that the NHS are prepared to record 'gender' over sex, this has real physical consequences for treatment.

I cannot believe that the police are recording male perpetrators as women, for sex crimes. For a demographic that includes (not limited to) men living out a sexual fetish.

It is absolute madness and there is certainly nothing 'kind' about it.

Someone I know had a 'trans' toddler. The child 'came out' at three and the mother has pretty much made being the parent of a trans child her whole personality. The child is now early teens and on blockers, as well as I suspect cross sex hormones as she's been banging on about the 'right' to it. I feel very sorry for the child who's clearly not really been given any chance to explore their own feelings.
I think it's abuse tbh and worse because it's happening in plain sight with idiots cheering it on.

So from that perspective, I do think an outside agency such as the NHS might be valuable but with the proviso that they actually support the child, not just blindly push transition as they have been doing.

I ran past mothers and toddlers arriving at a preschool yeaterday. There was one little boy with a small amount of hair scraped into a teeny tiny ponytail and two snappy hair clips for decoration. One pink and one blue - the horrible insipid shades of the trans flag.

My first thought was munchausens by proxy.

I will be looking up what the ‘treatment’ involves later. Because even just counselling seems hardly appropriate for children so young.

Toddlers imagine they are anything! And they should be allowed to if it is not causing them harm (such as thinking they are birds and dangerously climbing trees!)

Münchausen syndrome.
Child abuse.

What on earth happened to just allowing children to be children?

'Trans Toddlers' - just reading those words and the thought of them having treatment is stomach churning. It's abuse.

"treatment" really needs to be counselling for parents.

That’s bloody disturbing. The kids should be taken from the parents

I’ve seen it referred to as Transhausen (by proxy) Syndrome online

A friend had gender dysphoria from childhood. It is very rare, it is not Trans. The hype is unbelievable. They are trying to ensure that these children have counselling an help along with their parents. One hopes the affirmative model has been well and truly trashed, so that families and children managing this condition get the help they need.

I am a very strongly GC and have been for years but I am not an idiot and I can disassociate trans activism from other issues. Are we becoming like the TRA's, an unthinking bunch of halfwits?

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‘If any one of you causes one of these little ones to stumble, it were better for him that a millstone be tied around his neck, and he be cast into the sea’.

Christ I’m so glad my DD is an adult now … she spent most of her childhood in a football kit.

I know a girl who around the age of 2 chose herself boys clothes, she said she felt like a boy. Throughout primary school she was seen as one of the boys.
Within the first week of secondary school she stared wearing skirts and suddenly became much more feminine.

Thank goodness her parents didn’t take her to a gender clinic and just left her to find her own path.

I am hoping that S D-A is right and that seeing these children so young means it saves them from being socially transitioned by their parents. But knowing the kind of clinicians that these clinics have historically attracted, and the message it sends to parents and drs (yes, you can refer small children for dysphoria), my heart sinks.

Thanks for the share token OP.

My 3 year old son often wants to wear hair clips (in lots of different colours). He also loves unicorns, princess dresses, looking after dolls and sparkly stuff.
He’s still a boy (and also likes a lot of a stereotypically male things as well as totally gender neutral things). He knows he’s a boy and when he’s told that something he likes is ‘for girls’ he just says ‘and for boys who like mermaids/glitter/hair treasures’

I think part of the issue is that people read way too much into toddlers’ totally innocuous preferences. I don’t have munchausens by proxy (or Factitious disorder), just a toddler who sometimes likes stereotypically girly stuff.

Also in The Times

www.thetimes.com/article/bbeae3aa-bd8e-4d8c-974a-7460491bd63e?shareToken=c187409645f480d15309b5713f0acb99

Thank you for the share token. If I understand correctly, all these children are now to be screened as a matter of routine to see if they have a neurodevelopmental condition such as autism that would explain social and communication difficulties, obsessive behaviour, feeling of not being like other people, etc. They should also surely be screened for early signs of conditions like anxiety and depression. I am not an HCP but I believe they can be there from very early on, especially in cases where a child's experienced abuse of some kind, or a bereavement of someone very close to them, or a family breakdown. If the child's distress takes the form of fixating on something to do with their own body, it makes sense for child and parents/guardians to be seen by specialists, as long as those specialists are not going to affirm the child's/parent's belief that they are 'born in the wrong body'.

In cases I've read about where the parents have decided their very young child is indeed the opposite to their birth sex, the same things have come up time and again.

Child has interests/clothing and toy preferences which the parent(s) and their circle strongly believe are 'wrong' for the child's sex - e.g. little boy wants to have long hair, dress up as a princess, play with dolls. Family/community is very socially conservative, often for religious reasons. Instead of taking a step back and reconsidering whether their beliefs are actually sensible and justifiable, the kneejerk response is that these preferences are a problem and the result is friction in the family and a very distressed child. The child is eventually seen by a medical professional or a therapist who latches onto the gender nonconforming behaviour and ignores everything else. Often goes hand in hand with:

Parent(s) and/or their circle are homophobic and desperate for gender nonconforming children to be made to conform to minimise chance of child turning out to be gay. A boy who isn't going to grow up to be a 'real man' is obviously defective, so must in fact be that second-class human, a girl. (It's always incredibly regressive and sexist too.) A girl who might want to date/marry women rather than men is so shameful and unthinkable that it's better for her to be medicated into a crude facsimile of a man.

Parent(s) wanted a girl and got a boy, or vice versa, and have not got over the 'gender disappointment'.

Parent(s) are devoid of common sense and easily influenced by current trends.

Parent(s) are very lacking in confidence in their own parenting skills and/or not well educated, so can't or don't apply any critical thought to what professional people tell them.

My impression is that 20 years ago when GIDS was seeing under 100 children a year, of whom about 70 were boys, they mostly provided talking therapy for the children and teenagers, supplemented by family therapy sessions and if necessary drug treatment for the child's mental health problems. Hardly any of those children remained dysphoric once they were through puberty, so hardly any transitioned or were seen by adult gender clinics. I hope the NHS can get back to that. It will take time for the current huge waiting list to go down, but I strongly believe that the very large number of teenage girls who've experienced rapid onset of gender dysphoria is a social contagion and will pass.

I'm a bit confused. I've read the article, and it seems to be about trying to do the exact opposite of transing children? Instead screening them for other possibilities, and providing strictly non-medical therapy?

A few extracts (bold emphasis mine)

"The children are not given powerful drugs such as puberty blockers at the clinics, but are offered counselling and therapy along with their family."

"The clinic was closed as a result and the NHS began opening more “holistic” regional gender clinics as part of plans to move away from a “medical model”.

Last month, The Telegraph revealed that these plans included testing all children for neurodevelopmental conditions such as autism and checking their mental health."

"The NHS said it was following the Cass review’s recommendation not to set an age limit and that any care for children aged under seven would be focused on family support and advice.

The Cass review recommended that children who wanted to socially transition be seen as early as possible by medical professionals in order to identify and address any mental health concerns or neurodevelopmental conditions."

"Helen Joyce, director of advocacy for human-rights charity Sex Matters, said: “Research shows that pre-adolescent children who feel confused or distressed by the fact of their sex will usually grow out of this stage if they’re sensitively supported, but not when they’re encouraged to believe the unscientific notion that everyone has a ‘gender identity’ that may differ from their sex.”

She added: “The question for the new NHS hubs is whether they perpetuate the failed ‘affirmation’ model of the now-closed GIDS clinic, in which case parents should keep their children well away, or whether they offer genuinely holistic care based on evidence, not ideology. If the treatment does more harm than good, the length of the waiting list is irrelevant.”"

"Stephanie Davies-Arai, director of Transgender Trend, said: “Although it seems unbelievable that children under five are being referred to the new gender hubs, it was a recommendation of the Cass review that children are seen as early as possible.

“This makes sense because parents have been given such bad advice for so long, and may believe their child is ‘transgender’,” she said.

“Trans lobbyists have told parents that children know their ‘gender identity’ from age three and there is no harm in ‘affirming’ a child’s identity. It is important that these parents can get proper information and sensible advice from the gender hubs rather than listening to activists.”"

So it sounds like they are trying to do the right thing? Like they are trying to counsel kids away from thinking they are trans?

Those poor children and WTF are the parents playing at? 🤬

But the point was that the clips were in the 'trans colours', which is more likely an adult statement, not that there was a boy wearing hair clips. Kids should be able to play with what they want and wear what they want, the point is that this does not make them the opposite sex. My son wore dresses, it was fun, but the issue would have been if I started telling people this made him a 'trans child'.

Agreed.

I think the NHS should be involved. I know someone who transitioned their 4yo (now 12) and the NHS basically told them that the child had no concept of gender, to mix and match the stereotypes a bit (female super hero, male ballet dancer) and they'd be fine and get over it. Obviously parents stomped off to Mermaids shouting about discrimination.

For some parents, the NHS telling them not to get carried away would be enough. It's not fair that the NHS gets a hard time for seeing these kids but is bound by patient confidentiality and can't say they told them it was nonsense. They are up against people thinking their baby is trans because it grabbed a pink muslin once, it can't be ignored.