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BBC News website: UK Pride groups suspend involvement of political parties

33 replies

Chersfrozenface · 12/05/2025 23:58

Isn't that a jolly good way of making themselves irrelevant and losing influence?

You know, what with political parties providing the bods who actually make the laws?

In which case, way to go, lads.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mgl71mk17o

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RedToothBrush · 13/05/2025 00:09

They are trying to force team.

Remember the law hasn't changed

And the law clarification protects lesbians, gay men and transpeople who would otherwise cease to have visibility in law because without sex refering to biological sex, you can't define which people are trans, lesbian or gay.

Fuckwits.

Chersfrozenface · 13/05/2025 00:15

According to the BBC story
"The groups have called for "full and enforceable protections under the Equality Act", "timely and dignified access to NHS gender-affirming healthcare", a reform of the gender recognition certificate process and "sustainable funding for trans-led services and support organisations across the UK"."

Which are mostly, if not all, in the gift of politicians.

I mean, what a threat. "Give us what we want or we'll... er, not let you walk along some streets and hang out in some parks with us."

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Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 13/05/2025 00:15

Jumping before they are pushed?

RedToothBrush · 13/05/2025 00:19

Chersfrozenface · 13/05/2025 00:15

According to the BBC story
"The groups have called for "full and enforceable protections under the Equality Act", "timely and dignified access to NHS gender-affirming healthcare", a reform of the gender recognition certificate process and "sustainable funding for trans-led services and support organisations across the UK"."

Which are mostly, if not all, in the gift of politicians.

I mean, what a threat. "Give us what we want or we'll... er, not let you walk along some streets and hang out in some parks with us."

You cant walk next to dodgy pr meltdown costumes and wear glitter and rainbows anymore.

That'll teach you.

(Whilst also noting the LGBT LDs having a meltdown over this.)

Chersfrozenface · 13/05/2025 00:19

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 13/05/2025 00:15

Jumping before they are pushed?

That, too, perhaps.

Starmer might find the whole thing too difficult and be washing his hair on the date of every Pride event. Much better for them to say "He was never invited anyway, we don't like him"

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fromorbit · 13/05/2025 00:50

Great news this will backfire.

Treating every party the same is political nonsense. So the Greens, Labour and Reform are identical according to these guys.

So why bother changing policy at all - even if you go as far as the Greens you are still just as banned as Farage is. This is a neutrality policy which ignores any attempt at lobbying in favour of cancelling people because they enjoy it. It will undermine the TAs inside parties because there is nothing to be gained. Hence LGBT LDs getting upset.

This just proves that crazy activists that want to make being gay unpopular have taken over Pride as many have argued.

Plus I suspect all of the Prides have local council funding. Certainly London Pride does so that means Khan will be turning up again if he wants.

IwantToRetire · 13/05/2025 01:19

There are probably quite a few politicians thinking thank goodness.

No more being forced to go and fawn all over self aggrandising idiots who think dressing like clowns (and worse) is a priority for people who are meant to be helping run the country as more and more people are pushed into poverty, desperate for housing, and real life issues.

Not whether they can self identify and demand that everyone publicly acknowledges that "indentity" as real.

SinnerBoy · 13/05/2025 01:31

A statement from the group of Pride organisers said there was a "disturbing global trend... where LGBTQ+ rights are being systematically rolled back".

Statement? A tissue of emotive lies, by another name.

Helleofabore · 13/05/2025 07:47

I think that the original founders of Pride and of Stonewall must be shaking their heads in disbelief. All that work it took to become so well enmeshed and now due to extreme tribalism, it is gone.

LGB rights have not been reversed by UK politicians, but by the groups themselves with the introduction of the other groups with the contradictory demands. This contradiction in outcomes has become clearer and clearer yet because of the success of the forced teaming there are many who cannot see those contradictions, or don’t want to see them.

I don’t see this threat from Pride working well. But it will just keep producing sound bites, but we already know that the UK population supports the SC judgement. Even before that the YouGov polls had shown support for prioritising sex above gender as each and every court case has been won and the changes ripple through.

It is a very strange decision though, because Pride is a political group. It relies on its political network to get power. It relies on that network to get flags flown for instance. Does this mean that these political flags will now stop being flown on government buildings and along streets?

RedToothBrush · 13/05/2025 08:28

If you are a gay MP they are telling you "you belong to us, we own you, you should do everything we say or we will ex communicate you".

Cult much?

orangegato · 13/05/2025 08:59

To be fair Labour are on thin ice anyway so doubt Keir would want to give Reform any more fuel to paint him as a woke out of touch prick (which he is).

Not even the Greens invited though, haha!

lechiffre55 · 13/05/2025 09:03

Helleofabore · 13/05/2025 07:47

I think that the original founders of Pride and of Stonewall must be shaking their heads in disbelief. All that work it took to become so well enmeshed and now due to extreme tribalism, it is gone.

LGB rights have not been reversed by UK politicians, but by the groups themselves with the introduction of the other groups with the contradictory demands. This contradiction in outcomes has become clearer and clearer yet because of the success of the forced teaming there are many who cannot see those contradictions, or don’t want to see them.

I don’t see this threat from Pride working well. But it will just keep producing sound bites, but we already know that the UK population supports the SC judgement. Even before that the YouGov polls had shown support for prioritising sex above gender as each and every court case has been won and the changes ripple through.

It is a very strange decision though, because Pride is a political group. It relies on its political network to get power. It relies on that network to get flags flown for instance. Does this mean that these political flags will now stop being flown on government buildings and along streets?

This.

Pride and Stonewall have been corrupted from the inside out. Not money, but purpose and ethics abandoned, a parasite has taken over the host body which is in terminal decline.
I very much appreciate all the gays and lesbians fighting for their same sex attraction rights because in doing so they also protect my rights. I am eternally grateful for this. But I also very much understand why gay and lesbian rights at the most zoomed out level are dropping in popularity. What was once a shining cause for respect and decency has lost its standard bearers to a takeover by a diseased agressive authoritarian cancer.
Let them continue to make their threats. It will continue to have the same effect it always has, turning people away. The sooner the parasites kill off the hosts they have infected the better. They are beyond saving.
New bodies true to the original purpose of Stonewall and Pride are already growing. Organisations like LGB Alliance and many others have sprung up in the fertile space vacated by the now corrupted. Let these new organisations flourish while the corrupted draw their final last rasping breaths.

MarieDeGournay · 13/05/2025 11:10

'Not invited to Pride'?😱😨😩😰😭
sorry, I've run out of sarcastic emojis.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/05/2025 15:31

Good, the sooner LGBTQ+ gets assigned to the dustbin of history the better. Same sex attracted people can rebrand themselves as LGBA and Pride can go back to what it used to be, although I personally think Pride has had it's day, it's identifying as '....', that's got us to where we are today.

DragonRunor · 13/05/2025 15:40

So groups representing gay, lesbian and bisexual people (within pride?) welcomed the ruling, yet pride organisers still say it is anti-LGBTQABC+++

Do they actually remember what the LGB bit at the front of that alphabet soup stand for? Or do they just read it all as meaning trans?

I know, I should realise by now…

PunchUpInPoplar · 13/05/2025 15:44

Are these people totally thick? Jesus.

Questions:

What have ‘all political parties’ got to do with a Supreme Court clarification of existing law?

Who on earth thought that ‘banning’ party politicians from putting on their hot pants and dancing down the street for a day was an effective lobbying strategy?

How will they enforce the ban? If I run down Old Compton Street with ‘Vote Communist’ painted across my tits in glitter, will security eject me from London??

Will they reinstate parties next year if they capitulate? What do the parties have to do to get back in Stonewall’s good books? Stand up in Parliament and shout ‘JK Rowling is a big fat poo poo head!’?

And isn’t a street party where political parties were ever ‘invited’ in the first place just the un-coolest thing ever?

Chersfrozenface · 13/05/2025 15:46

The other thing that struck me was the paragraph with the phrase I've put in bold.
"The four Pride groups which took the decision to exclude political parties represent some of the most popular Pride groups in the UK, with a combined average attendance of over one million people."

How many of those one million people are in fact just straight people there for the drink (and drugs)? And who probably don't care one way or the other?

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PriOn1 · 13/05/2025 15:59

A Prideful Flounce!

Marvellous!

JasmineAllen · 13/05/2025 16:04

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 13/05/2025 00:15

Jumping before they are pushed?

I suspect you're right. No politician in their right mind would want to be linked to a sinking ship.

JasmineAllen · 13/05/2025 16:13

For the BBC it appears to be a well balanced article. It clearly differentiates between the LGB and the T stances on the supreme court.

I especially like the bit at the end where they emphasised that Lib Dems are still crazy 😂

TheOtherRaven · 13/05/2025 16:29

Oh FFS.

The SC judgment was found as it was in order to protect the right of homosexuals, and of women with trans identities, they were two of the named given groups whose protections in law cannot be maintained without sex based reality.

So 'Pride' has just come out as being for nothing more than men with trans identities.

That's it. That's all they're about. Forget LGBT or anything else. The rainbow just does men the massive majority of whom are straight and destruction of women's rights. And finally they're being honest about it.

The politicians and everyone else is well out of it.

Feetinthegrass · 13/05/2025 16:44

I am marvelling at the line where they demand the tax payer pays for mutilation AND we are expected to bank roll ‘support’ organisations - maybe their donations have dried up overnight?

So they want us to now pay for Mermaids?

Seriously.

WallaceinAnderland · 13/05/2025 16:52

How very inclusive of them.

Bearsinmotion · 13/05/2025 16:55

I thought this bit was interesting:

"For Women Scotland complained that ministers had included transgender people as part of the quotas in that law."

That's not true, if it was that would be discrimination on the grounds of gender reassignment. The FWS complaint was about the inclusion of transgender women in all women shortlists, who the Supreme Court has clarified are men.

Datun · 13/05/2025 16:55

Well there's nothing like speeding up your own irrelevancy.

Remove anyone who looks even remotely legitimate, so they can dance up and down admiring each other's butt plug tails and fake boobs?

Score !