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[WallaceinAnderland]

I can hardly believe what I have just read on another forum.

OP - Correct me if I've got this wrong, but isn't biological sex something different to the gender you were assigned at birth? Have I got this right? If I have, isn't it the case that a trans person could understand their gender identity as being their biological sex, and could therefore use the services that correspond to that whilst still being in-keeping with the wording of the EHRC guidance?

Responses:

• Yes, you're right - sex assigned at birth and biological sex are different things.

• The Supreme Court judgement, however, creates its own definition not based on any scientific classification. According to the ruling, "biological sex" simply means "sex of a person at birth." They make no further attempt to describe what sex at birth actually means.

• Applied to humans, the term "biological sex" is meaningless except as a generalisation. It excludes all sorts of human bodies.

• You've got this exactly right actually, biological sex is not as simple as what the doctors decided you were when you were born.

• It's a term with no definition or bounds.

• “Biological sex” isn’t a scientific term, it is a buzzword anti-trans groups like to use to describe birth sex. They also claim it’s binary and can’t change, which is reductive and just factually wrong.

• Sex is just as much of a construct as gender.

• What's on your birth certificate isn't evidence of your biological sex. It's a record of a doctor taking a look see at your genitals at birth and making a declaration.

I can smell the desperation from here.

where may we ask?

I'm pretty sure some TRAs would argue that grass is purple and the sky is yellow with black dots if they thought it would help their case.

Everyone has a sex based on their chromosomes which usually leads to a body of one of two types, which is easily identifiable to a doctor at birth. The only times it doesn't is DSDs.
It is completely unconnected to your personality (or gender)

Clown world 😄

😂😂😂
thankyou Wallace, that’s hilarious. Although not a great advert for the UK( I guess?) education system

“Sex is just as much of a construct as gender”

this has broken my brain

How the fuck do these people function in society?

Am now flashing back to that episode of Friends where Phoebe says she doesn't believe in gravity

They don’t.

This is so nonsensical that I'm guessing it came straight from Reddit?

the gender you were assigned at birth
The what now?

@eatfigs Yep

They walk among us. People who think that oppressive cultural gender norms include the idea that women must have ovaries.

The thing is, I'm trying to get my head around what is the point in transitioning if there are no differences between the sexes?

If biological sex isn’t really a thing, then there can surely be no such thing as gender dysphoria. How can you be distressed by the sex of your body if sex isn’t really a thing anyway?

I’m so tired of all this.

Ha. Crossed post!

There is no point trying to be logical about any of it. These people don’t do logic.

Agree, it’s all getting very boring now

Is there a list of the countries that assign gender at birth? I’m intrigued.

My 'fave' is
“Biological sex” isn’t a scientific term, it is a buzzword anti-trans groups like to use to describe birth sex.

OK then - everybody should use the toilet designated for their biological birth sex.
Is that less anti-trans?

Do share the link...

I’m not using birth sex because birth certificates can be reissued with the sex marker changed based on feelings and a GRC.

But can’t be reissued if there was a clerical error.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/nov/19/baby-girl-registered-wrong-sex-mansfield-registration-office

Yes. And typewriters are small alien carrots with shape shifting vampire squirrel souls.

S'all true, I read it on the internet.

Exactly.
Interesting to learn that I was just "assigned" the female sex at birth because a doctor noted that I didn't have a penis!
This suggests that I could have visited a doctor each year since, shown her or him a phallus, and requested male assignment.
Maybe I'll do that. It makes as much sense as claiming I'm one or the other and choosing a toilet to enter.

There was no doctor present at my birth. Nor that of my daughter.

How do we know we are female?

They claim that they have science on their side and point to dubious/outdated/inaccurate research and ‘experts’ claiming that sex is much more complicated than we previously thought; that sex is a spectrum and that there are male and female brains. If science really is on their side, how come the medical establishment is still identifying sex on scans (or at birth for that matter) based on the baby’s genitals? Surely the NHS wouldn’t continue to use this supposedly outdated practice if science has decided that sex is in fact very complex and not what we previously thought.

I have recently read that, "the [Supreme Court] judges were undisciplined with the terminology they used in their decision... and failed to understand the complexity of the words." [My Italics.]

I laughed at that one for ages. Bit like saying, "The astrophysicists were undisciplined with their times tables and failed to understand the complexity of the maths."

Also, "I think that ANY subdivision of people in sport is essentially arbitrary." Because obviously male and female bodies are identical.

That's the level of critical thinking out there.