"The Island Where Feminists Can Sue Their Bosses for Discrimination"

[Another2Cats]

I came across this podcast over the weekend. It is an interview with Peter Daly who was the solicitor involved with the Forstater case, the LGB Alliance charity case, Eleanor Francis v the Civil Service and the lesbian interveners in the FWS case. It's about 80 minutes long.

The interviewer is a US lawyer by the name of Glenna Goldis and the interview is basically Peter explaining things to a US audience.

https://gcls.substack.com/p/the-island-where-feminists-can-sue

There is nothing earth shattering in the interview but it is interesting hearing about things from his point of view (he really does not rate Jolyon Maugham at all).

It was interesting to hear that immediately before the Forstater case he had been involved in winning a very similar case where it was held that veganism was a protected belief worthy of respect.

Just after that, a barrister by the name of Anya Palmer asked him to get involved with Maya Forstater.

He said that around 35 cases subsequently relied on the Forstater precedent and the vast majority of them won, which is very rare for employment tribunal claims.

He mentioned how much of an effect Tribunal Tweets has had in bringing awareness to many more people of what is going on in courts through live tweeting from court.

Speaking of Joylon Maugham "he's currently entering day 12 of the world's biggest meltdown over the SC case For Women Scotland" and in relation to his latest plans to appeal "nobody could fairly say that this is a cool, calm and collected strategic plan being formed"

At the very end of the interview Peter was asked if he had any advice for American lawyers.

He said that he didn't because he doesn't know US law or US legal culture. But he went on to say:

"The things that made a difference for us in the UK were, there's a website called Mumsnet, that made a huge difference because it was a place where women were able to meet and discuss and talk freely and were able to say to one another "Do you know what, this gender stuff is madness" and there was a groundswell that came out of there."

"So, if there is any community like that for women in America, that's a place to look. Get yourself a Mumsnet"
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Overall, nothing earth shattering but a really interesting listen.

Iy's interesting to have an inside view of things, even if it's confirmation rather than revelation.

I really like Peter Daly he seems a very good sort of man

Look he identifies as a shark

(Misses point completely)

Seriously this is great and much needed.

I really like Peter Daly. Great listen.

Speaking of Joylon Maugham "he's currently entering day 12 of the world's biggest meltdown over the SC case For Women Scotland" and in relation to his latest plans to appeal "nobody could fairly say that this is a cool, calm and collected strategic plan being formed"

Agent Maugham is going to run the TA legal position into the ground. He has raised over 500,000 in last three weeks to fail in opposing the Supreme Court and backing TA stuff.

£500,000! And they say we are funded by shadowy forces. I wonder if RMW has out his hand in his pocket to contribute?

Well when you think of all the celebs who are very TWAW, and may have trans children, they're not short of a bob or two, so you can see why the the meter is ticking over..

Whereas we just have the likes of us with our small contributions, and the wonderful and generous JKR - what would we do without her?

Oh and the millions from the American Right, I forgot to mention that!🙄

There are going to be a lot of really upset people when this money disappears and nothing tangible is achieved.

Doubt it.

There's rarely pockets in women's clothes.

I was just logging in to give people the link to this podcast as well @Another2Cats ! great minds

It is EXCELLENT. Mr Daly comes across as such a nice, sane man, concerned with fairness and equality. And logic. And knowledge of the law.

Although it did make me think more about the difference between the kind of feminism I research, teach, and practice, and the 'gender critical' movement - which isn't always first & foremost politically feminist - although it is woman-centred.

@ParmaVioletTea i dont know why some women in academia think they can tell me and other women what feminism looks like. I am from the second wave, feminism is about biological women not men in dresses, dysphoria or not, GRC or not.

Sure we the real feminists are a broad church of disparate views and party politics, and class.

But when we need to come together we can set stuff aside and give the establishment a what for kick up the arse.

The new intersectional women can sod right back off to La La land, they dont diminish us.

And by the way they will not steal the name for my feminist politics, i am and always be a feminist,

And they are not.

Um @Bannedontherun you mistake my meaning: I am also an old second waver. Raised on the Women's Liberation conferences of the 1970s, Consciousness Raising groups (IYKYK) Kate Millett, Gyn/Ecology ,Germaine Greer, then books like Literary Women, A Literature of Their Own, and many many histories written of and by women. Studying (and then later teaching) Women's Studies courses in the late 1970s (I was taught by Carole Pateman briefly). And also things like seeing women get equal pay in the early 1970s; seeing the legislation against rape in marriage; seeing maternity leave & pay; seeing sexual harassment regarded as a form of indirect & direct discrimination; seeing companies being called out on saying "Can't have women here, we have no Ladies' lavatories."

And so on.

What I was trying to say (obviously not clearly enough) was that the "gender critical" movement overlaps with grass roots feminism in many significant ways, but they're not always the same thing.

Old school feminists have always been critical of gender roles and sex-based stereotypes. But there was a lot more to that second wave - that's one of the things that gender extremist ideology has done - forced us to focus on this one thing, instead of us able to keep on pressing forward on issues such as femicide and surrogacy. Although the definition of a woman is so foundational, it's a vital fight. Let's hope it;s soon over.

But I'm remembering the words of one of my Women's STudies lectureres in about 1979: "You only have the rights you can fight for."

Sorry Parma i was not having a good at you

Go

No problem @Bannedontherun You said what I was trying to say, and far more effectively than me!

I guess it's also that I've been reflecting on what it was really like for women in the 60s and 70s (I was a teenager in the 70s, & went to university v. young in 1976). And how far we've come, but how the same things keep on repeating.

That's why toilets are always an issue: they were the excuse to keep women at home, to deny women jobs (No Ladies facilities, Luv!), and now to intimidate us.

Terrific listen, thanks.

Really enjoyed that, thank you.

I loved it.

That was a perfect chaser (palate cleanser/blood pressure settler) to today's Woman's Hour.

Thank you for posting!