Sinn Féin health spokesman recants - interesting developments in Ireland re the SC judgement.

[ArabellaScott]

...and recites the catechism obediently.

https://archive.ph/oe22f

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/trans-women-are-women-says-sinn-feins-david-cullinane-as-he-backtracks-on-stance-and-joins-mary-lou-mcdonald-in-meeting-with-lgbtq-group/a447939886.html

So Cullinane had said the SC judgement was 'common sense', which led to Trans and Intersex Pride Dublin barring Sinn Féin from its annual parade.

Which led to a struggle session an urgent meeting with the rainbow mafia, and subsequent apology.

Nothing we haven't seen before. But the article also includes this info:

'An Ireland Thinks/Sunday Independent poll shows a large majority in Ireland agree with the UK Supreme Court judgment. The ruling may restrict the rights of transgender people in the UK to access certain schools, toilets, changing rooms and affect whether they can play sports which are divided by sex.

The poll asked: “Do you agree with the recent judgment of the UK Supreme Court that the legal definition of a woman is based on biological sex?”
Seventy per cent agreed, 20pc disagreed and 10pc answered “don’t know”.'

(My bold)

Interesting opening sentence...

He accepts that TWAW...

Not agrees. Acceptance. Acquiescence.

Made to feel like an ignorant, bigoted fool for daring to think that biology might be real (pretty important for a health secretary) and laws might have a role to play in society (pretty important for a politician).

OK, so on the latter the EA doesn't cover Northern Ireland. I guess that probably means something must happen to human bodies when they cross over the Irish Sea and all you need to do to know that it's true is to belieeeeeeeeve.

Mary Lou has a trans "sister". SF are well known in keeping their ranks in order.

Maybe so, but that SEVENTY PERCENT must be pretty bloody clear.

The mystery is why any politician is apparently still acquiescing to the twenty percent.

Dave Cullinane is one thing, he's one of the smarter people in SF but he's never been someone to step far out of line.

What boggles my mind is the old IRA men haven't quite aged out of having influence in SF yet. Did they ever imagine they'd end up as Ireland's rainbow dildo party?

Did they ever imagine they'd end up as Ireland's rainbow dildo party?

😂

Quite the curve ball on the journey from violence to politics.

(I just put that phrase in a GIF search. I'll post my favourite one below, in case it isn't within the guidelines. I really hope it is, as the wording on it is perfect for anyone who feels like starting their political career 🤞)

See above..

That 70% is a heartening figure.

I thought SF, TENI, Belongto etc etc were all in favour of the ban on conversion therapy.
Yet, they managed reeducate convert Cullinane from a believer in common sense to a believer in gender woo in a couple of hours.

Funny that Padraig MacLochlainn, who publicly stated that a woman is an adult human female, wasn't subjected to the same humiliation.

Nobody really believes that Cullinane believes TWAW.

Presumably the conversion therapy meeting was to send out a message to anyone else who might be inclined to state the obvious.

SF have always struggled to get past people's distrust of their paramilitary past and who really runs the party. This kind of publicity only reinforces the perception that there is a something sinister at the core of the party.
It's hard to understand why they are willing to risk losing voters on this. But they seem to be completely in thrall of the trans activists.

The ruling may restrict the rights of transgender people in the UK to access certain schools, toilets, changing rooms and affect whether they can play sports which are divided by sex.

Do they ever stop lying? Even when the truth is so blatantly clear?

Trans people have exactly the same rights as everyone else. They have the right to use mixed facilities and facilities for their own sex, but not facilities for the other sex. And that’s the same for everyone else too.

Is that 70% over the whole of Ireland, not just NI?

If so, wow. self-ID not as popular as we keep being told?

The paper that commissioned the poll, The [Irish] Independent, is based in the republic of Ireland. I'm guessing that the poll was restricted to the republic, as the opinions of people in NI have a different value as it is the UK Supreme Court. It would be good to know what public opinion in NI is too.

The popularity, or even public acceptance of, self -ID has never really been tested. ALL the major parties support it, and therefore people can't really vote on it. Some small independent parties at the last general election were against genderwoo, but they didn't get many votes.

But I noticed that all the parties downplayed their trans policies this time round - in the previous election, they all had some mention of trans rights on their leaflets, websites etc. Last election campaigh: zilch. I had to go chasing for their trans policies, sometimes exiled to old PDFs.

Sinn Féin is pretty much the same as other parties on this topic, they all have the same policies and I suspect the backbenchers and grassroots of all the parties don't really go along with the policies.

This poll should make them think...

I get that, Marie. Politics can be so shit, can't it? If you can't vote for anyone. Tougher in Ireland than in the UK, of course, too.

It's interesting to see that one of the countries so often held up as a pioneer of self ID trans rights is apparently so overwhelmingly in favour of the SC judgement.

A source said Mr Cullinane was challenged and asked how he would feel if it was stated that he was “not a man”.

What was his response to this? Sometimes the ingenuity of TRAs is that their arguments are so incredibly stupid that to answer them you'd have to track back to questions like "why do we have words?"

Yes this is where we are @Mermoose a world where words have no meaning. ' The struggle to remember is the struggle'

It really angers me that in 2015 they redefined the meaning of the word woman in Ireland without a single politician questioning how this would impact women in Ireland.
Not one.
All of them voted for it.

From the GRA 2015 Ireland

PART 3
Gender Recognition Certificate

Effect of gender recognition certificate generally

18. (1) Where a gender recognition certificate is issued to a person the person’s gender shall from the date of that issue become for all purposes the preferred gender so that if the preferred gender is the male gender the person’s sex becomes that of a man, and if it is the female gender the person’s sex becomes that of a woman.

Nowdays on the very rare occasion that they are actually asked about anything related to it, the default mode is to automatically talk about trans people.

Never will they talk about how women are affected (with the exception of a few Independents and Aontu).

Now, skorts, that is a whole other matter 😇
All the women uterus havers in Sinn Féin relished the opportunity to show their virtue signalling feminist credentials on that one.
https://x.com/briancanavan1/status/1921498618181173448?t=idtBHUQaWRxHf03r3DV7_Q&s=19

Ooh I wonder where trans GAA players stand on this vital issue of shorts v skirts? They've identified as women and now they can't wear skirts. 🤔

I can't help being pedantic, sorry! 🙄Women footballers in the GAA have always worn shorts, the Camogie Association isn't part of the GAA [yet], and I've never heard of a trans camogie player, but that's a great point - if that keen Gaelic football player Giulia Valentino had been a keen hurler instead, what might this photo have looked like?😦

Valentino stated "I’d like to be remembered for leaving a legacy of inclusion for other trans players.” and I'm always happy to oblige Giulia by showing this photo of Giulia in action ,whenever I get the chance - papers like the Guardian and the Irish Times voluntarily declined to publish it, for some reason...

You're right of course , Camogie is its own separate organisation I'd forgotten! I always thought it would be the appearance of some hairy great swamp donkey on a village camogie team that would burst the bubble in Ireland. A village team in Tipperary or Kilkenny perhaps , where people still exchange proverbs rather than pronouns...

Pedantry is positively welcomed on this board, Marie. In fact I'd say it's pretty much expected.

Love this post!
'exchanging proverbs rather than pronouns' beats Banaher - and Banaher beats the band [obscure piece of Hiberno-English speech]
And though I don't think I'll ever call somebody a hairy great swamp donkey out loud to their face, I've preserved it in the treasury of my mind for next time someone pushes in front of me in a queue or something similar

The whole point of Genderist ‘dialogue’ is to attempt to throw so much chaff at a person or subject that they start to question the basics of reality. Genderism denies basic biological reality for mammals on planet Earth and behaves as though we’re all living in The Matrix and can construct reality as we wish it to be.

The entire existence of millions of years of evolution and the physical laws governing the formation of the universe is a refutation of Genderism, although I wouldn’t put it past some Genderists to, in addition to ‘but clownfish’ and ‘but seahorses’ and ‘but hyena clitorises’, to also throw ‘quantum’ and ‘vibrational strings’ and ‘superposition’ into their insane arguments that humans alone are completely unlike all other mammals with respect to sexual dimorphism.

More people in positions of power and societal authority need to grow a spine and tell people who say stupid things, like this ’gotcha’ that apparently stymied Mr Cullinane, to ‘stop blethering shite’.