‘Gender affirming surgery’

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One of the most upsetting and dystopian things about this insidious ideology has for me, been the removal of young girl’s healthy breasts, this article sums it up. The comments are also worth reading. I will never not be horrified by this insanity.

www.city-journal.org/article/gender-affirming-top-surgery-bilateral-mastectomy

Great article - thanks for sharing. Good for Richard and the comments are spot on. Especially the first one re monsters.

The comments reflect how much people believe the democrats have lost their way, the question is, will they listen?

Will patients be able to sue?

If people have been lied to then perhaps they have a case?

You’d think with how litigious the US is that would certainly be an option. I’ve said for a long time that the only thing that will stop this insanity is when it starts costing organisations money, once there’s been a few massive lawsuits it will hopefully bring this grisly trade to an end.

Part of the issue is the (gonna get this terminology wrong) statute of limitations? on how long after the surgery has taken place that you can sue a doctor. If I recall, in most states it’s dreadfully short - 2 years maybe? Which is much too soon for transition regret to set in (or rather for transitioners to realise that what they are feeling is regret) if you read any detransitioner statements. It needs to be pushed to 10 years or more.

There are moves in some states to change this. This article is from a couple of years ago. I don't know if anythings changed yet.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/lengthening-statute-of-limitations-to-stop-transgender-youth-mutilations/

I'd be interested to know if people could sue the NHS. A lot of these double mastectomies are being performed in the UK on vulnerable young women. You could argue - I'm sure the NHS will argue - that adults are free to make their own decisions, but surely it is the ethical obligation of doctors not to carry out unnecessary and potentially harmful surgery? And if it is an ethical obligation, is it also a legal obligation?

It’s so horrific it upsets me every time - this is not new to me at all and I’ve seen lots of pics and read all about it, and I even have a family member (not a minor and not my own DC) who has done it. And yet I read that with a feeling of shock because it is so unfathomable and wrong. As he says, so many medics have abandoned their basic knowledge and their principles of do no harm and evidence-based treatment. For it to be done to 13yos and other minors when we know they cannot consent to all kinds of things because their minds are not developed enough. It’s such a powerful example of what ideology can do and how it numbs people’s thinking capacity.

Imagine if a double mastectomy happened to you, or your 13yo because of some kind of surgical mix-up or mistake. It would be horrifying, traumatising and you’d get huge compensation. No one would just shrug and say well it’s easily reversed.

I’m really glad people like this surgeon are speaking up and I hope more and more do until the penny finally drops with people generally that this needs to stop and should never have happened.

I think adults are free to make their own decisions about lots of things but not usually nhs surgery. I mean you can refuse it, but you can’t just go and demand an organ transplant or leg amputation or appendectomy that there is no evidence you need. The reasoning here is the problem - the whole idea that this surgery is “needed” when the only reason for it is an ideology and false reasoning - no one can explain why “gender” needs to be “affirmed” by bodily surgery on sex characteristics, if gender is not the same thing as sex. If you are arguing it is about sex and sex can change, that’s unevidenced and wrong and no medically trained person should think that. It’s a huge mess.

I know trans surgery has a long history - though previously, before the rise of gender ideology, it was rare and very thoroughly checked that there was no other option - but I still think that was a slippery slope and misguided approach - and it doesn’t have a history of good outcomes in terms of function and good health. It make no more sense that cutting people’s feet off because they feel like they should be shorter. It’s just not something the nhs should do at all.

I do think there will be an explosion of legal cases around it and I hope that will help to change things.

I wonder how the great medical scientists would feel... the ones who worked hard to develop the medical procedure for women with cancer to have diseased breasts safely removed; and the ones who developed HRT to revolutionise women's lives and restore them to their former selves - and then, years down the line, medical professionals are abusing these scientific marvels to remove healthy breasts from young women rather than address the true causes of their upset; and to give hormone treatment to males (often prioritised ahead of women), to 'replace' the female hormones that they were never supposed to have and never needed in the first place.

I've had top surgery, but I was fully an adult. To know it's being performed on very young adults, let alone teenagers, breaks my heart. And to see it being passed as something benign and even reversible truly angers me. It is absolutely neither!

I find it horrendous. The 80s, 90s, 2000s, even early 2010s, the idea of teenage girls, children, having their breasts removed would have been considered outrageous by everyone. Now, there’s those who still consider it outrageous and those who a) pretend it isn’t happening b) know it’s happening but think it’s great and NO ONE SAYS ANYTHING. It should be the main story on the news, should be the subject of investigative journalism programs, should be an international scandal that leads to criminal prosecutions, but people just IGNORE it.

Doctors are removing the breasts of children and people are DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT.

It takes a lot to make me angry capitalise type but that’s what this topic makes me do 😡😡

@NotBadConsidering You're absolutely right.
History will judge.

It's an egregious medical scandal, on a par with infected blood. I'm astounded by the number of public sector employees (teachers, social workers, doctors etc.) that are complicit in it, and disregarding everything they've learned about Safeguarding in the process. I expect a public inquiry in 25-30 years will result in massive payouts form the NHS, but I really don't know whether money can compensate the harm that's been caused. Until then, there will be lots of court cases, and I'm sure the NHS will do their utmost to keep them hidden from public view.

Couldn’t agree more with this, it truly is the most horrific thing to normalise and use it as a ‘cure’ for something that doesn’t actually need curing, I find it genuinely distressing.

It’s a scandal. And we’re nowhere near holding people accountable yet.

I can remember being a child and being told about how foot binding was done to girls and how some boys were castrated to be eunuchs in China, and how this had stopped because it was recognised that these were terrible, mutilating practices that were confined to history.

Well, it turns out that history flaming well does repeat itself, and society was not vigilant enough to stop it. Castration is back, and so is the mutilation of female healthy bodies. I would never have believed that it could happen, yet here we are.

I agree with this. It's the thing that most got me about gender ideology - even more so than the women's spaces issue.

Both my young daughters have a couple of fairly gender non-conforming friends - tomboys in old language. The idea that they may be led down a pathway to cutting their healthy breasts off in 5 years time is just unthinkable.

One of the MOST disturbing things I have seen recently on X was a severely disabled young woman in a wheelchair who'd had her breasts removed. She was non verbal (I think severe cerebral palsy) so there is no way this woman could have communicated that she felt she was a 'man' let alone agree to undergo such surgery. The carer/parent had filmed the results of this mutilation and uploaded it for views.

It has obviously stuck with me because it so appalling.

I think the law needs to be changed, so that anyone who feels they were "born in the wrong body" needs to undergo mental health assessment and treatment, before undergoing the surgical mutilation that is referred to as "gender affirming care". If they had to, I bet that many of those who insist they need it will change their minds.
I also think that everyone who believes the lie that the surgery is reversible should sit down with a consultant and thoroughly discuss the matter. They will then realise that this is not the case.
People have been sold this lie for too long. It's time to tell them the truth - that they'll have to take medication, in the form of hormones, for the rest of their lives, and that the surgery they have to remove and remodel their breasts and reproductive organs (ftm) or sex organs (mtf) is not only unnecessary, but very risky and irreversible.
Doctors need to stand up for their patients, and remember the first line of the Hippocratic Oath: FIRST DO NO HARM.

That is appalling, how can anyone sanction that?!

There’s a little bit of wiggle room here, as lawyers can argue that the statute starts when the patient realized they have been harmed, or they can argue that information was concealed or misrepresented. It does get harder the more time has passed, but the lawsuits are starting anyway. It gives me hope.

It is deeply deeply disturbing and upsetting.

This is how I feel. I have to skip over some of the descriptions.

I skim read it because it’s too horrifying but all credit to Richard for speaking openly.

What in god’s name is wrong with the surgeons who go along with this??