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Secondary School mixed sex changing rooms complaint: Update from school (again)

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TangenitalContrivences · 08/05/2025 11:17

Hello everyone - Have just received a further update from my daughters (14) secondary school (Brighton) regarding my complaint - which is at stage 2 - go to governors complaint, and my further email to the school asking them to comply with the EHRC interim guidance.

I'll copy both responses below, redacted.

I would very, very much appreciate specific feedback to include in my responses to the school, it's been people here (and elsewhere) who have helped me put together really powerful letters that have clearly rattled the school.

However - there is still a male in the female changing spaces at this school. Therefore it is mixed sex.

(link to the last discussion if you want context https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5309038-secondary-school-complaint-about-mixed-sex-changing-rooms-update-school-response-and-request-for-help-writing-the-escalated-complaint-to-governors )

Secondary School complaint about mixed sex changing rooms. Update, school response and request for help writing the escalated complaint to governors | Mumsnet

Hello everyone. Some may remember I asked for help with a complaint to my daughter’s secondary school in Brighton which allows Males into female chang...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5309038-secondary-school-complaint-about-mixed-sex-changing-rooms-update-school-response-and-request-for-help-writing-the-escalated-complaint-to-governors

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TangenitalContrivences · 19/05/2025 08:22

I also need to do the OFSTED thing today, will try to knock that out asap

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WarriorN · 19/05/2025 08:31

TangenitalContrivences · 19/05/2025 08:21

Honestly I’m trying but I think SSA are quite busy!

ahh - i will send a message!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/05/2025 08:33

I understand why you're doing this but I know that governors normally are advised of all relevant updates in legislation as standard via their Clerk or online governor services so am not sure it's a point worth pursuing? They've all been ignoring the law for years.

Once the guidelines drop, you may have a number of other options. If it's absolutely clear about changing rooms / schools you could write along the lines of:

"While you are considering my complaint of ..... in the light of the guidelines out for consultation from the EHRC, I would refer the school to sections ..... (insert relevant section). The Equality Act has been law since 2010. Therefore the schools has been breaching the law in addition to safeguarding good practice for some years and putting children at risk of harm.

Therefore please provide written confirmation that as from today, the school will finally comply with law and that neither of my children will be expected to undress in a changing room in front of children of the opposite sex".

The danger is that this could lead to your child being targeted "your father says you're not allowed to use these changing rooms today so there's the broom cupboard for you" . Depends how in denial / vindictive staff are.

The draft guidelines will hopefully make the Ofsted letter a slam dunk.

And a sincere thank you for taking this on. It's so important Flowers

TangenitalContrivences · 19/05/2025 08:43

@MrsOvertonsWindow - yes to be honest I was doing the interim guidance thing to make the school say in writing, that the governors had had sight of said guidance, nothing more.

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Beveren · 19/05/2025 08:47

Well the guidance is going to say the same thing as the interim guidance which is extremely clear about schools and says this:

To be fair, the interim guidance is quite controversial and a number of experienced lawyers are saying it is wrong, so I'm not sure this is guaranteed.

TangenitalContrivences · 19/05/2025 08:50

Beveren · 19/05/2025 08:47

Well the guidance is going to say the same thing as the interim guidance which is extremely clear about schools and says this:

To be fair, the interim guidance is quite controversial and a number of experienced lawyers are saying it is wrong, so I'm not sure this is guaranteed.

This is absolutely true. However I can’t see how the guidance can ever say that mixed sex changing rooms for under 16 is ever ok. It will have to mandate third spaces for trans identified kids.

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 19/05/2025 08:53

TangenitalContrivences · 19/05/2025 08:50

This is absolutely true. However I can’t see how the guidance can ever say that mixed sex changing rooms for under 16 is ever ok. It will have to mandate third spaces for trans identified kids.

Indeed. In the light of the very clear SC judgment (disliked by lots of trans captured lawyers I know) schools will no longer be able to wedge boys into girls changing rooms. No matter how unhappy this makes the anti safeguarding lot

TakingMyChancesWithTheRabbits · 19/05/2025 08:56

Beveren · 19/05/2025 08:47

Well the guidance is going to say the same thing as the interim guidance which is extremely clear about schools and says this:

To be fair, the interim guidance is quite controversial and a number of experienced lawyers are saying it is wrong, so I'm not sure this is guaranteed.

Which experienced lawyers would that be then?

2fallsfromSSA · 19/05/2025 09:04

@TangenitalContrivences apologies I missed your last DM. I'll contact you later today

2fallsfromSSA · 19/05/2025 09:25

Sorry we have been quite busy, the SC judgement has sparked loads of new complaints to school but we are keen to help. I've nit read the thread but I would say that you need to report to OFSTED if you have not already done so.

TangenitalContrivences · 19/05/2025 09:26

Draft response to the headteachers email received today:

Subject: Re: Response to EHRC and Supreme Court Compliance Email

Dear xxx,

Thank you for your reply of 17 May 2025.

I am writing to clarify that your response is not an acceptable or legally sufficient reply to the serious safeguarding and compliance concerns I raised in my message of 8 May, titled “Immediate Update Required Following Interim Guidance on Supreme Court Ruling.” I must now respond to your points one by one.

1. Delay is Legally Unjustifiable

You state that the school will respond by 22 May and that this is not unreasonable. I strongly disagree.

You are already in possession of:

  • The UK Supreme Court judgment, which is binding law.
  • The EHRC interim update (April 2025), which accurately reflects the practical implications of that law.

There is no legal ambiguity that warrants a delay. Safeguarding obligations under the Equality Act, KCSIE, and the School Premises (England) Regulations 2012 apply immediately — not once the Code of Practice is finalised in two months.

2. The Law Is Already Settled
You wrote:

“It is important to be clear about the status of the publication from the EHRC; it is an update and does not purport to be formal guidance. It does not therefore have binding effect…”

This is a mischaracterisation of how equality law operates. The binding legal authority is the Supreme Court judgment, not the EHRC. The EHRC interim guidance is not what gives the law its force — it explains what the law already isfollowing that judgment.

To repeat: schools are bound by the Supreme Court’s clarification that the word “sex” in the Equality Act means biological sex, not gender identity. Continuing to act otherwise is knowingly non-compliant.

3. Safeguarding Cannot Be Deferred
Delaying action until late June places children at continued, avoidable risk. If a school knowingly allows male pupils into female changing rooms (or vice versa), it increases the risk of:

  • Sexual harassment or assault
  • Emotional trauma to pupils
  • Peer-on-peer abuse, which Ofsted has explicitly said schools must assume is happening even in the absence of reports

These are not abstract risks. These are active safeguarding exposures, for which you, your Designated Safeguarding Lead, and the Governors are responsible.

4. Equality Act Breaches Are Ongoing
As a reminder:

  • The Equality Act 2010 requires schools to provide separate changing facilities for male and female pupils aged 11+.
  • Indirect discrimination applies where a policy (e.g. mixed-sex changing) disadvantages a group (e.g. females or those of particular faiths).
  • There is no lawful basis for ignoring these protections “case by case” on the basis of self-declared gender identity.

The “case-by-case” approach, as applied by xxxx, is legally incompatible with the statutory definition of sex and the EHRC’s interim position.

5. Governors Must Be Fully Informed
You previously stated that my EHRC-related correspondence cannot be shared with the full Governing Body because of complaints process impartiality. I again object in the strongest terms.

My 8 May email was not a complaint. It was a request that the school leadership act immediately to comply with national safeguarding and equality law. There is no legitimate reason why the Chair of Governors, Vice Chair, Safeguarding Governor, and senior leadership should not have had sight of it.

Accordingly, please now confirm:

  • Whether the Governing Body has been informed of the EHRC interim guidance via the clerk or online governor services.
  • Whether all senior safeguarding staff are aware of their current legal duties in light of the Supreme Court ruling.

If you are intentionally shielding the governing body from their legal duties and the EHRC’s summary of the law, that may itself be grounds for regulatory action.

6. Insurers and Legal Risk
You have still not responded to my direct question:

Have you notified your insurers that xxxx School is knowingly continuing with a case-by-case approach that no longer complies with the Equality Act?

Given the personal liability that could arise in the event of a serious safeguarding incident, I urge you again to seek legal advice and disclose the school’s current position to your insurers immediately.

7. Request for Immediate Policy Change
While you are considering my concerns in the light of the forthcoming EHRC consultation, I refer you again to the Supreme Court judgment and the interim EHRC guidance. The Equality Act has been law since 2010, and therefore xxx School has, knowingly or otherwise, been breaching the law — and safeguarding good practice — for some time.

I now request written confirmation that:

  • From this day forward, no pupil of either sex will be allowed to undress or share a changing space or toilet with a pupil of the opposite sex.

This is a basic safeguarding minimum, and it should not require months of consultation to uphold.

8. Outstanding Legal Compliance Questions
Please also provide written responses to the following:

  • Will the school now formally withdraw its “case-by-case” policy?
  • Will you provide copies of any risk assessments related to these policies?
  • Will you confirm that your current practices now align with the statutory duties under the Equality Act, School Premises Regulations, and KCSIE?
  • Will you formally retract the claim that the EHRC interim update is not applicable until the Code of Practice is updated?

9. Escalation Notice
This issue is being formally escalated to the Local Authority Designated Officer (LADO) and to Ofsted. The decision by xxx School to prioritise adult political ideology over statutory child safeguarding responsibilities is indefensible and must be reviewed by external bodies.

Summary
To conclude, I again reiterate that the law is now clear, the safeguarding duties are active, and any further delay is wholly unacceptable. I require a full written response and assurance that the actions requested in my 8 May email are being taken immediately.

This correspondence will form part of the public record and is subject to future disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act and other relevant statutes.

I look forward to your reply.

Kind regards,
xxxx
Father of two pupils at xxxx School

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DuchessofReality · 19/05/2025 09:47

It isn’t the Equality Act that mandates single sex changing for over 11s, It is the School Premises (England) Regulations 2012 (I think - do check).

I support all that you are doing here. But I think this letter does not need to be this long and detailed. You have gone into the detail before. You know you are right. We know you are right. The school probably knows you are right! So I think you should go ‘less is more’ for this one.

The school replying by 22nd May may be frustrating but it is not unreasonable. You risk giving them ammunition if you object.

Don’t bother telling them about going to LADO and Ofsted. If they haven’t come round to your point of view already, telling them that is not going to change anything.

This letter should be very short. I think what you want is confirmation that while they are investigating, and thinking, and consulting, etc etc they have put into place a policy that ensures single sex changing.

Whilst you want that for every child, I think at the very least you should be entitled to ask that for your children.

So I would cut it right down.

’Thank you for your letter, I look forward to your detailed reply in due course. In the meantime, could you confirm that whilst you consider updating all your policies, in light of the regulations [] that require single sex changing, you will ensure that no child changes in front of a child of the opposite sex?

I enclose as an Appendix to this letter a list of the current unanswered questions (not specifically related to my complaint) from previous correspondence.

Yours etc

xxx

WarriorN · 19/05/2025 09:53

Re Ofsted also mention that you have been unable to raise concerns to governors as school has refused to share contact details.

This is a basic later step when raising issues with any school.

and part of safeguarding good practice

TangenitalContrivences · 19/05/2025 09:55

@DuchessofReality am going to clarify to include School Premises (England) Regulations 2012

As for length, get where you're coming from but this is more to deny any plausible deniability and support further FOI requests later. I know everything on the letter, they know everythign on the letter but if it's in the schools formal record keeping they can never deny it in the future.

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Bunty27 · 19/05/2025 09:55

Check Linked In and see the rot lawyers are saying. Not a few,
many many spreading lies and misinformation.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 19/05/2025 09:58

I agree with @DuchessofReality. Short & sweet on this one.

You could add a clarification that what you were asking to be circulated to the governors was the EHRC and judgement info, not your complaint.

SinnerBoy · 19/05/2025 10:58

Am I the only one thinking that they've knowingly involved all or most of the governors, so as to be slopey shouldered and pretend that it's outwith their powers to deal with? A play for time.

TangenitalContrivences · 19/05/2025 10:59

SinnerBoy · 19/05/2025 10:58

Am I the only one thinking that they've knowingly involved all or most of the governors, so as to be slopey shouldered and pretend that it's outwith their powers to deal with? A play for time.

I don't think anything I have got back so far could be considered anything but a play for time

Which would be ok if there wasn't an immediate safeguarding issue to contend with...

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/05/2025 11:14

@TangenitalContrivences can you withdraw consent for your children to do PE in the meantime?

ProfessorFellatioHornblower · 19/05/2025 11:20

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/05/2025 11:14

@TangenitalContrivences can you withdraw consent for your children to do PE in the meantime?

Two weeks to reply here, two weeks to reply there - how many sessions of PE is that for your children?

TangenitalContrivences · 19/05/2025 11:28

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/05/2025 11:14

@TangenitalContrivences can you withdraw consent for your children to do PE in the meantime?

I could, but, there's nearly 2,000 kids in this school.

And, I don't want to other my own kids

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LlynTegid · 19/05/2025 11:31

Given the city where the school is, the option of occupying the school for a sit in to protest and force action I don't think is there. I suspect OP that some parents won't agree with you and others would be afraid to join in.

I wonder if legal action could be crowdfunded.

TangenitalContrivences · 19/05/2025 16:20

Sent a cut down and polished up version of previous draft email. I know it's not going to change his mind. But, it will be on record. I will be FOI ing every single internal email and minutes about it.....

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TangenitalContrivences · 19/05/2025 16:55

Ofsted complaint sent.

Secondary School mixed sex changing rooms complaint: Update from school (again)
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littlemissprosseco · 19/05/2025 17:10

Well done. Now just sit tight