Sharron Davies and Mara Yamauchi are glorious!

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Have a listen to this BBC OS radio interview on the ban on men in womens sport. They are absolutely glorious to listen to - had the interviewer Mark Löwen tied up in knots and challenged his words beautifully.
From 26 minutes in.
https://t.co/GbsDZMQ5jL

Yes they were excellent. And to give Lowen credit, he let them make the points. It came across very strongly that they had a clear, strong, well supported position. With stuff like facts and all. Erudition, succinctness, clarity, accuracy, passion and the like. In short, that they were right. It also came across clearly that Jessica et al didn't. And weren't. Dennis Kavanagh's parody is extremely funny, and certainly reflects what the BBC has been, but in this instance was a little (not much, but a little) unfair......

I'm not sure he even understood what he was talking about, especially when they challenged him to clarify if he was asking them about males or females. He then closed by referring to the male footballer as a "transgender female".

A few weeks ago would any mainstream broadcasters have allowed anyone on air to point out that transgender women are biologically male?

I think "transgender woman (biological male)" and "transgender man (biological female)" should be the default description. So much of this is because people don't understand what's being said. That presenter was making it sound like females were being banned from female sports. I am glad the robust correction was broadcast!

Yes, he did let them speak. Although he then tried to continue ploughing on about male mental health in a conversation about women's sports. Almost as if he wasn't listening to a word they were saying.

Yes. Take that as a small victory. I've been following this issue since JKR's essay, and for the first time we are beginning to hear doubt in BBC voices.

And they walloped him with an enormous halibut. Memories of Monty Python's fish dance. It was great.

Definitely. I hope the tide is finally turning back towards truth and facts.

Full length chat with Jessica 26.30
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w173067qhlkr56n?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

28 Transgender women registered in amateur football. None professional. In England.

Jessica TW: “I can never play football with the girls I’ve been training with…. It’s a big help with mental health… it makes me feel pushed aside and not important any more”. “I could be who I wanted to be on the pitch”. “I wouldn’t give up the sport”

Steve coach: “pushing a large number of players out of the game”. 3 trans players joined this season. We are losing 3 friends. We have a pride specific team in the club … they’ll only be able to play once a month (but keep training). “Never had to say no to someone” “what about the trans men who been taking testosterone to compete in male categories?”

At no point we’re either asked about how the women might have felt up to now having lost a place on the team to a male? Or the women across the UK who had to self exclude?

Noone raises the case in another amateur football league where 1 male injured a woman and 150 female players had to withdraw over injury concerns. No acknowledgment that a puberty blocked post op TW is not the majority of TW wanting to play.

Why didnt they find the player who’s leg got broken and ask how she feels?

The journalist uses the term cis in relation to women and the whole interview is about male feelings. Little or no challenge.

What weird spell is this?

It’s almost as if they think women’s sports exists to provide men with a supply of female human support figures, when they don’t want to play against other men. Women being little more than a breathing version of Lego mini figs to them.

Even the trans identified women (real women) are an afterthought. Just in case any woman thought they could identify out of irrelevance to these boyos.

This was amazing. Absolutely love that they would not refer to a biological man other than a man.

I have no idea of the presenter’s own feelings on the matter, but it felt like he’d been given a list of questions and points to make, and he had to include them no matter how the interview went. Almost as if there was a producer with a cattle prod stood behind him. It’s not good interview technique, but it did a good job of making the BBC look ridiculous. Again.

Thanks for this.

Sharron and Mara were both excellent.

Excellent interview.

Email address above was wrong - here is the web portal you have to use if you want to comment on the sexist questioning:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint/#/Complaint%20Summary

Didn’t they just 🤣🤣🤣
They truly were glorious - it was even better than I imagined 😭

KnottyAunty and within that section the TW was asked about changing rooms and claimed they always arrived fully changed and left in their kit and when asked about playing in a man's team came out with how they couldn't possibly do that and change with the men - well if you arrived fully kitted out when playing in the women's team what is so difficult about doing the same when you play in the correct team for your sex?

The difference between the way the interviewer was in the first interview and that with Sharron and Mara was stark, as ever. Quite frankly he was all but grovelling on the floor with the TW in the first interview.

Anyway, Sharron and Mara where beyond excellent.

Oh that was good. Sharron and Mara weren't giving an inch, nor should they.

I just heard at the outro the presenter saying that yesterday he'd spoken to Jessica, a transgender female footballer. He really doesn't get it, does he?

They were absolutely brilliant! These captured journalists need to be challenged every time.

Amazing!

They were brilliant 🤩

Thanks @KnottyAuty

The elephant in the room was the fact that Jessica might not have been good enough to make the male team. I saw something on Xitter earlier about males playing in female teams in the London area and it was eye-popping - the numbers, the fact that they were the top scorers or similar. How many women have been displaced by these cheaters?

The elephant in the room was the fact that Jessica might not have been good enough to make the male team.

The men will have to make their game inclusive of all men, regardless of differences in claimed identity, presentation, pronouns and ability. Let them make room for a change.

Indeed. It would be nice if it could be acknowledged, though, that a mediocre male athlete/player may be able to make a female team simply by dint of being taller, stronger etc, not necessarily by being more skilled.

The elephant in the room was the fact that Jessica might not have been good enough to make the male team. I saw something on Xitter earlier about males playing in female teams in the London area and it was eye-popping - the numbers, the fact that they were the top scorers or similar. How many women have been displaced by these cheaters?

Quite.

But of course to the males playing in those teams and those cheering them on that is not relevant because as Sharron stated it is only women and girls being displaced and disadvantaged.