“Trans Criminals: The Problem We Refuse To Define” - Article by Hannah E Meyers

[UtopiaPlanitia]

I came across this detailed article discussing the issues caused by the policies regarding transgender offenders in the US justice system over the last decade. I thought it would be of interested to FWR:

https://www.commentary.org/articles/hannah-meyers/trans-criminals-poor-policy/

Some excerpts from the article:

”Whereas crime data exist for all other demographics—race, age, educational attainment, etc.—we are not systematically collecting or analyzing stats for trans offenders. Apparently, it’s too politically uncomfortable to call attention to transgender people as anything but victims. Any effort to delve into research on transgenderism and crime uncovers reports, white papers, law review essays, and media reporting—but all of it is focused exclusively on trans victimization. Such material prioritizes analytics such as the percentage of trans crime victims who were deadnamed in the press and how many were transwomen “of color.”

The focus on trans victimization is so powerful that media reporting and advocacy emphasize any suggestion—often unsubstantiated—that trans victims are the objects of hate crimes. But few reports actually record who the offenders are committing crimes against transgender individuals, and whether they are trans themselves.”

“It’s easy for advocates to excuse lying and sexual predation because they barely acknowledge that there could be a personal gain for male inmates to lie to be housed with women—or that female inmates could be at risk….Unbelievably, there is no acknowledgement of any special danger to female inmates posed by a roommate who has the physical strength, higher propensity to violence, and penis of a man…..”

”Given the complexities and the vast unknowns about transgender populations and criminality, more nuanced long-term policies—at all levels of government—will be hard to create. Both the public and policymakers should have a greater understanding of how often biological men in women’s housing harm women, staff, or each other. How often do inmates change their reported identities? Which offenders do so, and under what circumstances? How does “gender-affirming” housing and products affect the likelihood of committing violence while incarcerated or violence after release from prison?….

…..Further, this evidence would help policymakers confront and handle a pivotal question: Does the criminal-justice system care about inner identity? Should it? External appearance matters for cops and prison guards to identify and sort offenders. However, trans advocates insist that correctional staff disregard outward appearance in addressing, housing, and handling trans inmates because it has no bearing on true identity. Adding to this circularity, the “right” for inmates to contravene their natural appearance with in-custody surgeries or commissary items for genital tucking contradicts this notion that appearance doesn’t matter, because they argue that appearance matters above all else.’

A great example of what Graham Linehan identified - the creation of a special caste of people who are inscrutable, unaccountable and above reproach, like the brotherhood of Catholic priests he knew growing up in Ireland.

Its dire that people are either being directly threatened or ‘don’t dare’ look because of insidious social conditioning.

Trans activists seem to think all trans women are Dylan Mulvaney clones - cute and ditzy and what possible threat? If you mention crime stats they say the numbers are statistically too small to draw conclusions. They think these guys are in jail for sex work - and don't believe it when you tell them that sex work is legal in the UK.

Thanks OP. So good to see more sunlight. Here’s hoping that a combination of Trump in the US and the SC judgement here will end this lunacy once and for all, at least in these two countries. The genuinely vulnerable in this situation are the women prisoners locked up with these violent men.

Interestingly, back in the 2019 election, when I raised the issue of state sanctioned rape for women in prison with a Labour canvasser he took a while to click that I was speaking about the sacred caste. The moment he did he started screaming in my face ‘TWAW’ then backed away at speed and went to my neighbours still screaming. Some people refuse to see this issue because it is about the Holy Ones.

I don’t know how people maintain the mental image of ‘delicate ickle flower’ in their heads when on a daily basis we’re having to deal with headlines like the recent one about a ‘woman’ dumping dirty nappies at a nursery, or a ‘woman’ forming a cult group of AI-doomongers and killing their landlord. The pictures of these dangerous men are in the media and we also see men dressed in repulsively sexual outfits in the streets these days in both major cities and in the country.

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I had the same experience described by Helen Joyce, Sharron Davies, and Maya Forstater: I felt that when I explained to people that dangerous men who had committed assault, rape, and sexual assault were being transferred to women’s prisons that this would be the information that would help people to understand that things were going too far.

But, like your experience with the canvasser, I discovered that for some people this is too jarring to hear so they fall back on catechism.

This is the main reasons people who identify as the opposite sex shouldn't be allowed to change their sex marker on official legal documents. We need to be able to see which sex is committing these crimes and have it recorded as such.

The massive over reach of tra's has created a false sense in the already deluded minds of trans people about how society in general see them and how they should expect to be treated. In reality nobody considers them as truly of the opposite sex. Many transwomen for example claim that other real women see them as just another "girl uwu" when in reality it is just women either trying to be nice and acquiesce to the man as we are socialised to do or its women who don't want to aggravate a large, narcissistic male who clearly has a poor grasp on reality.

It makes me sad to think of all the women out there having to tolerate men like this in what they would prefer to be female only spaces, clubs and groups.

One also only has to look at how TRA's and transwomen in particular talk about women to see how much male misogyny is at the core of their beliefs and motivations. A woman is all good and well when she provides validation, hugboxing, when she is a handy female relative or partner they can steal clothing and other personal items from or perhaps a women they know they steal their name and style. Another useful female is the girl or woman who is captured and transitions, these people provide a useful cover and perhaps they openly discuss in future, these women can be harvested for body parts. I hear these trans identified men say that they love women so much they want to be one, when in fact what they love is compliant women, certain female body parts, certain items of clothing and other usually misogynist tropes of what being a woman is.

According to these men 99.9% of women love them, see them as women and see no issue with these men in their spaces, sports and so on. When in fact a quiet majority of women are happy about the supreme court ruling and are heaving a sight of relief for themselves and their daughters.

The minute women stand up and say no, you are not a woman, no you can't come in, I don't accept you as a woman and calls out the harm these men do then the true face of the misogynistic trans identified male comes out. Suddenly there is rage, all those women are bitches, bitter, bored housewives, dried up old crones no man wants, we're conservatives, right wing, Russian bots, privileged, rich, unemployed, raging bigots, nazi's, we're ugly, middle aged, gossips, scolds, witches, some of them even openly call for a return to public witch burning, or we should be raped and beaten (all of the above are direct quotes from trans identified individuals online many of us will have seen the tweets and posts which say the above or similar).

Even if I hadn't been gender critical before this point I would be now given the obvious hatred of women these people have, I also note how they save their absolute fury for women, somehow men don't seem to inspire the same rage in them. I also note how many of their vocal high profile supporters are men.

I think this is why in an age where women had made some gains towards liberation the scared cast of trans identified people has acted as a kind of trojan horse for the brutal and dehumanising misogyny that women have always been subjected to by men and culture. It tells us again that our only place is as a prop to men, that men's sexual rights trump all.

Excellent post.

I particularly appreciate the point that the rage for dissent is only unleashed on women and never to the same extent on men.

It reminds me of Lundy Bancroft's observations from his career working with abusive men: that those men will claim that they battered her because they couldn't control their anger. They do not like him pointing out that absolutely he can control himself, he does not batter his boss, or random people in the street. He batters the people he feels he is entitled to hurt. It's a choice.

And I think too in this specific context, it also chooses not only those who specifically incite the rage by being a woman refusing to woman as he expects (I often think of Curry, a TiM MNetter from the dim and distant past who wrote a number of good posts and often mentioned the 'mummy doesn't love us' trigger he perceived) but also and equally, it chooses those who can be relied on not to hit back and harder should it come to blows.

The immediate sexual violence that is so quick to appear within so many posts and retorts (suck my dick is a favourite) also makes very clear there is no doubt or fear as to who will enjoy the role of abuser, and how sexual fantasy is playing a powerful part.

@TheOtherRaven I agree with everything you say, it is so clear to any woman who actually listens to these trans identified men what the motivation is and that these men remain perhaps some of the most misogynistic men of all at their core so absolutely they would play the part of the abuser to after all isn't that their right as men?

@Xedora said: "According to these men 99.9% of women love them, see them as women and see no issue with these men in their spaces, sports and so on. When in fact a quiet majority of women are happy about the supreme court ruling and are heaving a sight of relief for themselves and their daughters."

Which brings me to the question: Has there been a survey among women of all walks of life, asking their opinion about the SC ruling? I haven't seen one, but then I am not in the UK, and not a daily reader of UK press.

There was a survey done in the past few weeks which asked people if they agreed with the supreme court ruling and also which political party they supported. For Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem and Reform the majority of supporters approved of the ruling. For green supporters they did not support the ruling but they are obviously now a party entirely captured by trans ideology to the detriment of its supposed environmental motivations.

I am a post graduate student and have discussed with with women young and old and women have been silenced for so long on this issue, told they are being bigots and nazi's with the threat of public shaming or shunning for daring to object to men in their spaces that many women simply remove themselves from those spaces, and keep their heads down or pretend to go along with whatever it is that men demand of them as after all isn't that what has always happened? Women have always had to make themselves small to try and avoid male violence and even death. Even I would be loath to object in person to a male in a female space because of what might happen to me. I'd just feel horrible that a man was invading my space like like, I'd see it as a form of abuse and that man would probably imagine he totally passes that I was fine with him there and perhaps he'd even imagine I thought he was "one of the girls" when in reality he was just a man pissing all over my rights and my dignity so he can live out his fantasy using unwilling women for validation. Every man who enters women's spaces under the guise of "being a woman" is displaying predatory behaviour and is being abusive to women.

Finally and above all, it comes down to fact, the fact that sex is a biological binary and men cannot be and never can be women and legally they are not women and the court system has now clarified this.

I recently came across the term 'fetish mining' in terms that applied to Mumsnet - in which men post in order to encourage women to discuss personal things like bodily functions or sexual assault so that they can use the information to populate their wank bank and I was enraged. And then (the excellent) Jonny Bell posted a tweet tonight about another aspect of this mining which involves deliberately engaging women in "girl talk" in single-sex spaces as per this:

https://x.com/Jonnywsbell/status/1919139572471976093

This video is titled:
"Christina" is just one of the girls.
"I love girl talk"...
It features a perverted Man who secretly films himself in the women's toilet, while he talks to unsuspecting young women...
It's not a fetish though, they just want to pee...

And as angry as I am about this constant degrading treatment of women, I can completely understand why women (as discussed by PP) don't remonstrate or get angry in person with these men in our spaces because you never know when they'll snap. They're already breaking boundaries that decent men respect so you have no idea of how they'll react when the narc supply is cut off or disrupted by a woman refusing to play along.

Post the SC ruling, we need to urgently ensure that there are consequences for men who break the law and invade single-sex spaces and use single-sex services. And if the current government continues to remain deliberately clueless as to the national mood on this issue, amongst others, and if police forces and the courts system don't treat this ongoing issue seriously then we are going to see more tactical voting and more court cases and judicial reviews until someone starts enforcing women's rights. And I will happily vote based on this issue and contribute as much as I can as often as I can to legal actions because I have had it up to the back teeth with this disrespect of women's basic humanity.

Great posts, thanks Xedora.

UtopiaPlanitia Post the SC ruling, we need to urgently ensure that there are consequences for men who break the law and invade single-sex spaces and use single-sex services.

I agree, and I also think there needs to be pressure on men to re-assert the idea that 'decent blokes' respect women's spaces, so if there's a man in a women's space, he has self-identified as not a decent bloke.

There's also work to be done by men to assert that men's toilets are not dangerous for transwomen, so they can stop using that as an excuse to use the women's, or the disabled toilets.

There have been a few men posting here saying just that: use the men's toilet, we don't mind, just come in, pee to your heart's content, wash your hands and leave. No drama, no trauma.

There has also been some informal 'polling' of male partners who also say that - it may feel a little bit odd, they'd just get on with it and leave the transwoman to do likewise.

A new toilet-related 'Say Maate to a Mate' campaign, perhaps, Mayor Khan?

I like the idea of 'TRANSWOMEN WELCOME HERE' stickers to put on the door of men's toilets😏

Absolutely this.

We see it regularly on FWR with men who are clearly excited by being scolded. It's just another way of using women. To enforce women participating in non consenting involvement with fetish and close their avenues to protest, escape or even be allowed to name what is happening is one of the darkest skeletons in the closet of this mess.