Pronouns are transphobic!

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New guidance from Liverpool University says you shouldn't ask someone their pronouns as you might 'out' them as transgender. I have to admit I chortled. Article in the Telegraph.

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Ha! I can’t believe they don’t realise how ridiculous that is. They’ve come full circle and they’ll think they’re doing something new.

Alternatively, they’ve seen which way the wind is blowing and have read the multiple Mumsnet threads where this has been suggested as a sop to the captured!

That’s not a new concept. Look up Yogyakarta principles- principle 6 I think. I’ve been using that as a reason to not add pronouns to my email sig at work for years.

The problem with that (aside from the fact this mad guidance exists in the first place, of course..) is that they’re still advising students and staff to introduce themselves with their own pronouns.

So their policy still risks outing closeted trans students and staff who choose not to introduce themselves using their own pronouns, because if the norm is that ‘everyone who’s a good person’ introduces themselves with pronouns, then the only people who don’t use pronouns will be the closeted trans ones (or evil bigots, of course).

FFS. Next they’ll say that if a woman introduces herself with she/her pronouns she’s flaunting her cis privilege.

It starts well, I also was thinking of the Yogyakarta principles.

But it's basically just don't ask other people for their pronouns.

Still add them to email signature, give them when introducing yourself, but don't call them "preferred" pro-nouns because that implies gender is a preference, and use gender-neutral pronouns for everyone until they tell you their pronouns.

Still rubbish

To be honest that would give me a good laugh, both at them and the woman, for pandering to this shite in the first place.

So now you can be transphobic and trans inclusive at the same time.

Does anyone have a link to the guidance document itself?

Can we not give them ideas 😀

I thought it was impossible to tell what sex someone was without a genital check? So how would either set of pronouns 'out' anyone?

But, but, but…

That cis woman just told me her pronouns. That suggests that I should tell her my pronouns. Even though I haven’t decided what they are yet & I might think of completely different ones tomorrow.

HOW DARE SHE??????

What a relief that I refused to put pronouns in my email signature when told to 4 years ago!

Ahead of the curve in not being transphobic.

The whole ideology relies on Grand Master levels of cognitive dissonance so this makes perfect sense.
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Schrödinger in practice.

Imagine actually paying attention to all this shite, It must be absolutely exhausting.

This is just getting sillier and sillier. I wouldn't dream of asking someone what their pronouns are...because the whole concept is bollox and I don't give a toss. Plus they seem to be perfectly capable of outting themselves without my active involvement.

This is the ministry of truth in action. Lovely example!
We have always been at war with Eastasia!

just for fun

Part of gaslighting: keeping the other person permanently in the wrong no matter what they do. Whatever they say, it's wrong; if they say the opposite, that is somehow wrong too.

I’m just grateful I don’t work anywhere where I have to wear pronouns on my name badge (like at the Co-op).

Assume it’s this page on their website

I see it says "... helps normalise the idea of recognising and respecting pronouns ...". But Queer Theory is about subverting norms, so it must be a bad thing to normalise anything, no?

Epic.

The meltdown is glorious.