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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JKR - language

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Karmacamelia · 03/05/2025 13:15

J K Rowling : always referred to as "gender critical' (critical giving negative vibes ) but never 'pro- women' ( pro giving positive vibes) would love to see a TV/radio news item referring to her as 'J K Rowling, pro women author, campaigner...'

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EmpressaurusKitty · 03/05/2025 17:16

That’s a really good point.

ThisHangrySheep · 03/05/2025 17:18

That’s why the TWAW cult mantra has been so pernicious - change the meaning of ‘woman’ and suddenly our rights aren’t our own.

corlan · 03/05/2025 17:25

The change the Trans lobby has effected in the language in common use is nothing short of stunning.
I'm temping in a genetics laboratory and the biological sex of the person whose specimen we receive is recorded as 'sex assigned at birth. ' It blows my mind every time I see it on a form.

bigknitblanket · 03/05/2025 18:22

corlan · 03/05/2025 17:25

The change the Trans lobby has effected in the language in common use is nothing short of stunning.
I'm temping in a genetics laboratory and the biological sex of the person whose specimen we receive is recorded as 'sex assigned at birth. ' It blows my mind every time I see it on a form.

Are you not tempted to cross it out and correct it 😬

Gardeninging · 03/05/2025 18:29

the biological sex of the person whose specimen we receive is recorded as 'sex assigned at birth. ' It blows my mind every time I see it on a form.

😮 I could not stomach that. Can't someone get the form corrected??

Gardeninging · 03/05/2025 18:30

But yes JKR should be referred to a woman's rights activist at least.
She's set up a refuge for women for goodness sake.

NumberTheory · 03/05/2025 19:05

I agree JKR is much more than gender critical in her activism and very much pro-women. I thought she described herself as a sex realist rather than Gender Critical, though can’t find a reference.

But I’ve always seen the “critical” in Gender Critical as positive in the sense of critical thinking (which is its meaning in the phrase).

Karmacamelia · 03/05/2025 19:57

NumberTheory · 03/05/2025 19:05

I agree JKR is much more than gender critical in her activism and very much pro-women. I thought she described herself as a sex realist rather than Gender Critical, though can’t find a reference.

But I’ve always seen the “critical” in Gender Critical as positive in the sense of critical thinking (which is its meaning in the phrase).

👍🏻
I like the sex realist description.

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Karmacamelia · 03/05/2025 20:03

Gardeninging · 03/05/2025 18:30

But yes JKR should be referred to a woman's rights activist at least.
She's set up a refuge for women for goodness sake.

Never hear this mentioned, only negative news associated with her. And old news i know, but what a let down, the three main people who starred in her films (who wouldn't have the wonderful lives they have now) to turn against her like that, really hacks me off!

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WallaceinAnderland · 03/05/2025 20:08

Gender critical? She's usually referred to as anti trans.

Toootss · 03/05/2025 20:25

The use of the word Transphobic if you so much as mutter a question on whether trans women should be in women’s sport or any mild concern about women’s rights.
it’s ridiculous -who the heck has a paralysing fear of trans people -no one -but it never gets called out.

ThisHangrySheep · 04/05/2025 08:10

WallaceinAnderland · 03/05/2025 20:08

Gender critical? She's usually referred to as anti trans.

Only by those believing that oestrogen tablets magically turn male genes, chromosomes, cells and tissues into female ones.

Karmacamelia · 04/05/2025 09:50

Still thinking about this, are the first few words the most important? If so, gender critical gets more attention, (the way it affects trans movement) than JK being pro women, women's activist, defender of women's rights etc
Headlines should say: 'JK Rowling, defender of women's rights, gender critical' IMHO

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The13thFairy · 04/05/2025 10:05

Thing is, if pro-women is seen as anti-trans, then pro-trans must be anti-women.

Maddy70 · 04/05/2025 10:20

She's as pro women as Andrew Tate is pro men ... She's divisive and I think she has taken feminism back a good decade or so.
this explains my views very well https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIlc8gQgHJM/?igsh=MWExemRjbGF0MnZheA==

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2025 10:25

She has zero in common with Andrew Tate 🙄

ArabellaScott · 04/05/2025 10:35

Maddy70 · 04/05/2025 10:20

She's as pro women as Andrew Tate is pro men ... She's divisive and I think she has taken feminism back a good decade or so.
this explains my views very well https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIlc8gQgHJM/?igsh=MWExemRjbGF0MnZheA==

Link doesn't work for me. Can you explain in your own words?

Maddy70 · 04/05/2025 10:38

Basically now we may have to prove we are women to use women's spaces etc it's a return to patriarchally constructs

stillshrinkingthisspring · 04/05/2025 10:41

Does JKR suggest women should treat men as Tate wants men to treat women?

Amazing to see someone think that creating women-only rape survivor services is the female equivalent of Andrew Tate. Actually pretty mind blowing insight into the misogyny of this movement.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 10:52

Maddy70 · 04/05/2025 10:38

Basically now we may have to prove we are women to use women's spaces etc it's a return to patriarchally constructs

I prove I'm female by existing. Other people have eyes and ears they use to see and hear that I'm female.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 10:58

ArabellaScott · 04/05/2025 10:35

Link doesn't work for me. Can you explain in your own words?

It's a transmaiden giving the "what about butches and women with PCOS?" routine to the camera whilst sitting in her parked car.

Why do these idiots think that we can't tell the difference between a woman with PCOS and a man? Why do they think that we can't tell a butch woman from a man?

ThisHangrySheep · 04/05/2025 10:59

Maddy70 · 04/05/2025 10:38

Basically now we may have to prove we are women to use women's spaces etc it's a return to patriarchally constructs

You have it the wrong way round.

Women in the UK first had to fight for public toilet provision in the Victorian era (all existing ones were Men Only). Forward to the Second World War, women arrived to work in the munitions factories and again had to fight to have toilets provided as employees.

A return to “patriarchal standards” would mean no longer having designated single sex provision ie what the trans movement has been trying to steamroller in. Anyone supporting biological men having unfettered access to women’s facilities is pro-Patriarchy. Trans should be demanding their own provision, as our recent ancestors had to.

Edited to add - I have no problem assuaging someone’s concern as to whether I’m female if they need the reassurance.

Maddy70 · 04/05/2025 11:04

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 10:52

I prove I'm female by existing. Other people have eyes and ears they use to see and hear that I'm female.

So then this legislation is useless. As long as someone "looks" female then they can enter the toilets ? What about my friend, female stocky, short haired with facial hair due to her polycystic overies. Is she going to be challenged just for trying clothes on or wanting a pee ?
This is turning women against women

Waitwhat23 · 04/05/2025 11:10

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 04/05/2025 10:58

It's a transmaiden giving the "what about butches and women with PCOS?" routine to the camera whilst sitting in her parked car.

Why do these idiots think that we can't tell the difference between a woman with PCOS and a man? Why do they think that we can't tell a butch woman from a man?

Edited

I have PCOS (with the related hirstism etc) and the whole 'women with PCOS will be mistaken for men' is such fucking bullshite I can even begin to express my rage at people weaponising my condition.

Women with PCOS are not men. We are not 'more manly' because we have higher than normal levels of testosterone than average in women (while being no where near even the lowest level of the range of testosterone for men). We are not intersex or an example of how sex isn't binary. Some of us many have hirutism but that doesn't make us or make us look like men.

We are women with a female endocrine disorder. Anyone who is using our condition to argue that men should be able to access single sex services needs to fuck right off.

ThisHangrySheep · 04/05/2025 11:13

Better to be challenged by a fellow woman than have a man plant secret cameras for his voyeur porn stash, wank in the next cubicle, creepily ask if have a spare tampon or assault me. But thanks for your concern!