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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Co-op says Supreme Court ruling is “a step back”.

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MsPoppoff · 02/05/2025 19:49

So says a statement from its female boss (my boss).
“This feels like a huge step back, and I want to reassure all our colleagues impacted by the ruling, that you have our support, that you have my personal support, and that we’re doing everything we can to explore how we can do right by our colleagues, stay true to our values…

“Our policies have not changed…. colleagues can continue to use toilets and changing facilities in accordance with their gender…”

OP posts:
TheOtherRaven · 03/05/2025 13:11

Apart from the unwisdom of making clear that they are signed up to misogyny and batshit....

wtf is the sense of alienating your customers and income? The minute you loudly declare a political position's side you've immediately alienated everyone with a different view. It's not like the big virtue signals like 'yay world peace' or 'save the environment', this is majorly devisive, extremist and partisan stuff.

The main point of retail is people wanting to buy your stuff and give you money. Gormless.

LonginesPrime · 03/05/2025 13:21

TheOtherRaven · 03/05/2025 13:11

Apart from the unwisdom of making clear that they are signed up to misogyny and batshit....

wtf is the sense of alienating your customers and income? The minute you loudly declare a political position's side you've immediately alienated everyone with a different view. It's not like the big virtue signals like 'yay world peace' or 'save the environment', this is majorly devisive, extremist and partisan stuff.

The main point of retail is people wanting to buy your stuff and give you money. Gormless.

It’s Stonewall thinking - anyone who doesn’t agree with us is a bigot, and we don’t want money from bigots anyway.

Hopefully that attitude won’t last long now that everyone complying with the law is a bigot too.

AnSolas · 03/05/2025 14:01

DrPrunesqualer · 03/05/2025 03:09

Unfortunately the reality is that accessible toilets have never ever been just for the use of disabled people

Ever

Its a complete misunderstanding

When we design buildings and calculate the toilet WC requirements we include the numbers of accessible toilets in that entire calculation. To deny then the use of accessible toilets to others means there are less facilities for everyone else in number terms. This particularly impacts women as we need the toilets more and spend 3 x longer having a pee than men.

So no
Accessible toilets have been designed to be accessible. That’s all

Further more.
One man. An architect who was disabled campaigned for accessible facilities on his own. He started designing them on his own and had them introduced into buildings as a requirement on his own. The entire community of disabled people that keep saying they fought long and hard for these facilities is also completely incorrect.

That ratio is a cost saving choice.

The design could be calculated on "able" provision with the extra cost for accessable units so £££

It a minimum standard not a fixed target

EdithStourton · 03/05/2025 14:05

Merrymouse · 03/05/2025 08:26

I suppose they can use the fees from more profitable franchises to subsidise other franchises, but those are still separate businesses.

Looking online, it seems that only some Co-op stores are run as franchises. Which explains how they can cross-subsidise, if they still do.

Shadowsunray · 03/05/2025 14:32

I would leak it. I know people are leaking documents and emails like this to JamesEsses on X. I'd also leak it to MichelleDewbs on X, TV presenter on GB News, she's very vocal about women's rights.

TheOtherRaven · 03/05/2025 14:57

LonginesPrime · 03/05/2025 13:21

It’s Stonewall thinking - anyone who doesn’t agree with us is a bigot, and we don’t want money from bigots anyway.

Hopefully that attitude won’t last long now that everyone complying with the law is a bigot too.

Yes, I think political parties have tried the 'we only want votes from the Right Sort of People' thing. Hence yesterday's results.

Wasn't it John Cleese who did the training course for how to run shops that went 'please may I buy something?'
'Yes!'

TheOtherRaven · 03/05/2025 14:58

Shadowsunray · 03/05/2025 14:32

I would leak it. I know people are leaking documents and emails like this to JamesEsses on X. I'd also leak it to MichelleDewbs on X, TV presenter on GB News, she's very vocal about women's rights.

This is what's needed. People on the doorstep with the evidence of what has happened to women, demanding, 'why do you support this happening to women? Why do you think it should continue?'

Teacupover5 · 03/05/2025 15:48

I stopped buying from the Co op when they did that advert pledging to donate money from strawberries to transgender causes .
My DH referred to it as the “transgender strawberrygate”.
The advert is still on You Tube .
I used to spend £200 a week in there buying petrol and top ups .
Thats thousands of pounds of sales lost and that’s just me 😎

LonginesPrime · 03/05/2025 15:52

TheOtherRaven · 03/05/2025 14:58

This is what's needed. People on the doorstep with the evidence of what has happened to women, demanding, 'why do you support this happening to women? Why do you think it should continue?'

I completely agree.

These organisations don’t seem to even realise that, by condemning the SC ruling, they’re necessarily saying “women shouldn’t have the rights they currently have in law”.

This needs to be pointed out to them each and every time they condemn the ruling, as they obviously haven’t twigged.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 03/05/2025 15:55

thenoisiesttermagant · 02/05/2025 22:36

My main thought is if they're willing to so openly announce their intention to break the law over employee provision of toilets, what else are they breaking the law over?

Food safety?
Store hygiene?
Consumer advertising?
Labelling of allergens - staff toilets labelled 'women' may contain nuts whilst lying to those using them, so I'm assuming the same must be true of their products.

The list is long - why would anyone trust them to comply with the law - they've stated clearly they think they know better.

At my branch, it was H&S laws about not obstructing access to fire extinguishers. The manager I complained to about it had it in for me from then on.

I would love to see those hypocritical bastards get absolutely shafted in a tribunal.

DrPrunesqualer · 03/05/2025 16:20

AnSolas · 03/05/2025 14:01

That ratio is a cost saving choice.

The design could be calculated on "able" provision with the extra cost for accessable units so £££

It a minimum standard not a fixed target

How much is provided ultimately falls down to keeping within the requirements and the businesses own money.
If they wanted to add extra at their own cost they would.
Unfortunately they very very rarely do. In fact never in my entire career.
If anyone ever does then perhaps they could put up a sign saying there’s extra provision but I think we’ll be waiting a long time for that.
Ive spent my entire career trying to get extra provision for women. I’m 58 and still trying.

AnSolas · 03/05/2025 16:59

DrPrunesqualer · 03/05/2025 16:20

How much is provided ultimately falls down to keeping within the requirements and the businesses own money.
If they wanted to add extra at their own cost they would.
Unfortunately they very very rarely do. In fact never in my entire career.
If anyone ever does then perhaps they could put up a sign saying there’s extra provision but I think we’ll be waiting a long time for that.
Ive spent my entire career trying to get extra provision for women. I’m 58 and still trying.

Money talks loudest in the end.

At 58 you are still young so maybe next year?🤷‍♀️

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/05/2025 17:11

LonginesPrime · 03/05/2025 10:28

Just to clarify - had the SC Ruling gone the other way, it would still have clarified that trans people without a GRC are not captured under the definition of “woman” in the EA and shouldn’t be using opposite-sex facilities.

There would still have been the same uproar from transactivists that we’re seeing today, as it would have been the first time a court had explicitly clarified that trans people without a GRC should never have been using opposite-sex toilets in the first place.

This.

Merrymouse · 03/05/2025 17:21

Where was this announced? Was it on a twitter or a press release?

Another2Cats · 03/05/2025 17:42

Merrymouse · 03/05/2025 07:14

Aren’t the shops, for the most part, separate businesses?

They used to be a lot of different companies but, over the years, most of them have merged. But, yes, there are still some different ones.

Nowadays, around 70% of co-op stores are part of one group (what used to be CWS now just called the Co-op Group with HQ in Manchester).

But the other 30% of stores belong to separate companies. For example, I live near Peterborough and up until 2013 the Anglia Co-op with its HQ in Peterborough was a separate thing covering Cambs, Beds, Suffolk & Norfolk.

In 2013 they merged with the Midlands Co-op and they're now called the Central England Co-op and have about 6% of Co-op stores

ThisHangrySheep · 03/05/2025 17:56

Well my waistline will thank me for taking a step back from their (admittedly excellent) doughnuts. And I’m sure they won’t want my law-abiding citizen money anyway, so win-win.

TheOtherRaven · 03/05/2025 18:26

LonginesPrime · 03/05/2025 15:52

I completely agree.

These organisations don’t seem to even realise that, by condemning the SC ruling, they’re necessarily saying “women shouldn’t have the rights they currently have in law”.

This needs to be pointed out to them each and every time they condemn the ruling, as they obviously haven’t twigged.

Exactly. They need to be made to own that if they truly want to stand behind it.

If you think women deserve everything that happened to them with men in their spaces? And that women are lesser humans than men? Own it.

DivaDroid08 · 03/05/2025 21:23

Merrymouse · 03/05/2025 17:21

Where was this announced? Was it on a twitter or a press release?

An internal comms

Manderleyagain · 04/05/2025 14:15

Has this now been reported in the papers?

many women on here will be members and can vote at the AGM. We need to start trying to get sensible board members elected or get motions passed. 'We bring a motion that co-op will endeavour to act within the law, and will try not to unlawfully discriminate against anyone' !

I'm a member of midcounties which has a head office in Warwick. I suspect that's different to the one this ceo works for? (Tbh I dont understand how co-op works).
Midcounties co-op has a risk and compliance board. I imagine thet all do. Whichever is the relevant one needs alerting to this risk.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 04/05/2025 14:31

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Bjorkdidit · 04/05/2025 14:42

Our organisation has done something similar. Big statement from the CEO on the intranet. Our CEO is a female medical doctor FFS.

We're a scientific organisation and there's still people contradicting biological fact, as well as the law.

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/05/2025 14:58

DivaDroid08 · 03/05/2025 21:23

An internal comms

Once it becomes even more public and it gets challenged by 'Sex Matters and/or the EHRC, they'll soon retract it.

tobee · 04/05/2025 15:18

LeftieRightsHoarder · 03/05/2025 06:31

Much as I love the Co-op, it is as captured as the rest of the commercial world. Because when you rely on selling stuff to the public, you do what the loudest and scariest bullies demand.
I hope the prospect of heavy fines is even scarier. I just wish the management cared as much about their female staff and customers as they do about the scary men.

“Because when you rely on selling stuff to the public, you do what the loudest and scariest bullies demand.”

It seems somewhat of an irony that this aligns with Trump's tactics; mafia style.

TILIS · 04/05/2025 16:05

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