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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Oliver Brown in The Telegraph 'Spell of trans cult has been broken'.

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Rightsraptor · 02/05/2025 07:41

Yet another article by Oliver Brown (in the online Telegraph) about the gross unfairness we've seen in women's sports for the last few years. It's behind a pay wall.

He mentions injuries to women, girls being punished for asking if a man is a man, the cowardice of the FA - 'even in the short statement it issued, there was no reference to the women and girls disadvantaged for years by its genuflecting to the fallacy that people cold be whatever sex they purported to be'. All of it.

And how wonderful to see the domino effect: first the FA, then England Netball and E&W Cricket Board, and as Mr. Brown points out these latter two were 'saved by football's abrupt about-turn from any need to make a stand on their own'. We'll be seeing that a lot, I think - quietly returning to common sense with no real issue made of it because the big boys did it first.

I hadn't known until I read this article that two years ago, The Telegraph was presented with letters from parents of girls as young as 12 who were all alarmed that their daughters were being sent into bat against middle aged men. I mean, I knew about the girls & the men, but not about the letters.

The usual list of wonderful women get a name check: Mara Yamauchi, Fiona McAnena, Nic Williams, Emma Hilton and, of course, Sharron Davies, with an honorable mention to Daley Thompson.

It's a stonking article, do read it if you can. I know Oliver has always been good on this but he really wraps the whole thing up with no loose ends in this one.

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HappyNewTaxYear · 06/05/2025 20:08

mumda · 06/05/2025 18:26

I wonder what else they've been frightened to report accurately.

Yes, this is a disturbing thought.

TempestTost · 06/05/2025 20:17

mumda · 06/05/2025 18:26

I wonder what else they've been frightened to report accurately.

This is why I've become massively cynical about people on the left complaining about "misinformation" from non-mainstream media.

All the people so upset because they think dodgy alt-media are being given too much credibility? Between this issue and COVID bs, you only have yourselves to blame.

Shadowsunray · 06/05/2025 21:16

yetanotherusernameAgain · 02/05/2025 08:16

Does this work as a gift link:

Spell of trans cult has been broken

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/2c15e9ed7a0714b7

Thank you, yes it does. Absolutely brilliant article!!

Joolsin · 06/05/2025 21:34

Phenomenal article, thanks for the share token. The comments are very interesting, especially the Lloyds one. And just 30 lying men affecting so many sportswomen - despicable.

SopranoPipistrelle · 07/05/2025 02:08

flyingbuttress43 · 02/05/2025 12:12

I've been one of Oliver Brown's biggest fans for years on this issue (in fact the whole DT editorial policy on trans). But I stumbled across a Reddit forum that makes me doubt that any hearts and minds are changing.

I subscribe to a specific sports sub reddit on motor sport, which is absolutely fine and doesn't actually cover the trans issue at all. I usually access it on my laptop and don't look at anything other than this sub reddit, but yesterday I accessed the main Reddit forum on my phone and the SC ruling was trending. There seemed almost unanimous support for trans women in sport, women's spaces etc. with hundreds of upticks for the trans activists' views and nobody putting the other side.

There was, for example, huge support for the BMA resident doctors "sex is complex" that left me thinking: my God these people are in hospitals near you, 7 years of training and unable to tell a man from a woman. That was just one topic. Another was mass condemnation of TERFS spitting on "peaceful" trans protesters. Really? Lots of other examples. I signed off feeling terribly depressed but coming to the conclusion that I suspect (or hope) a lot of the posters were Gen Z with little real life experience and soaked in the be-kind uni experience. I hope so anyway. But it does not fill me with any hope for the future.🙁

Reddit in general has a definite bias towards gender identity beliefs, and also in many subreddits to so called "progressive" political beliefs (not sure how they rationalise men in women's spaces and sports as progress). In many subs people putting the other side will be deleted or banned. There apparently used to be a gender critical subreddit and it was banned.

I generally just look at Reddit for fairly frivolous things and try to avoid the unhinged nonsense on there, but there is a subreddit called detrans (for detransitioners) which I just had a brief glance at. The fact it hasn't been banned must mean there are some pockets of sanity on Reddit, but in general it's not a place that's going to have a balanced response to the SC judgment.

But I do try to remind myself that it represents a self-selected group of people who like to broadcast their opinions incessantly, and are also mostly American so will likely not really understand the SC judgment anyway and just have the "trans folks have lost rights" narrative. Gender identity beliefs have absolutely captured many institutions, but when I feel a bit depressed about this and how blinkered leftwing keyboard warriors are I also like to look at the More in Common research. It shows that "progressive activists" overestimate how much others agree with them and it reminds me that most people likely agree with the SC judgment, or if they're not that interested (most people really) they still understand the reality of sex! https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/our-work/research/progressive-activists/

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DragonRunor · 07/05/2025 14:55

Interestingly I asked England Hockey about insurance a couple of years ago. I got a very bland message back about ‘inclusivity’. I asked my specific point again - would their insurance cover female players if they were injured by a transwoman player - no response 🙄

Edited to add, I expect they’re more interested in that question now….

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