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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

'Different but of equal value' and gender

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soupycustard · 01/05/2025 15:46

I'm interested in how many posters say they don't consider they have a gender. I am very GC and of course the 'genderwoo' is utter nonsense, and the misuse of language by TRAs has been cynical and deliberate, which makes this a difficult question/issue to put into words. But to try... :
Aside from physical sex characteristics, I wonder (but I'm doubting myself now!) whether at population level, women are different from men in their attitude to and approach to things,and I'm not sure that's 100% down to nurture rather than nature.
I studied feminism in the 90s and at that time, it was all about the sexes being 'different but of equal value' so I think that is what I'm influenced by. Because that seemed to encompass different behaviours, eg would females, at population level, be more interested in looking after children than males (irrespective of educational attainment/pay etc), and if so is that something to do with 'gender'?
I would also add that even if I do wonder about 'gender' and whether I have such a thing, that does not make any difference to my GC position, in that to me it's yet another reason why a man wouldn't know what a woman feels like!

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CrystalSingerFan · 02/05/2025 00:45

soupycustard · 01/05/2025 16:32

@RedToothBrush
There's no need for the 'tone'! I know it's difficult on this board and we're all very tired of the silly posts (I lurk even though I don't post often).
It's very difficult to put into words... How about this as an example of what I'm getting at:
Gender stereotype: girls tend to like arts subjects and boys tend to like STEM.
Possible misuses of that stereotype: (a) arts are a 'soft' subject and (b) more girls should do STEM.
Possible 'different but of equal value' take: more girls may like arts versus STEM and that is fine. Do we laud STEM because it is valued as a 'male' subject?
Again, to emphasise, I am not saying 'this is true'. I am asking a question because it interests me when people who are fundamentally on the same page as me think differently.

Ah, Arts vs STEM gender stereotypes.

I(F) worked in the computing industry for 30 years. It was male dominated then, and I believe it still is. I was a member of the professional organisation (British Computer Society) and their Women In Computing SIG.

At a one day WIC conference, the chairwoman started by asking us why so few women went into the great career that was computing, and asked each woman in the room to briefly explain how they did. After the n'th woman said "well of course I went to a girl's school, and so avoided all of the sexist 'girls can't do techie stuff' and here I am"... the chairwoman stopped the process and just said 'hands up everyone who went to a girl's school'. 90% of the women put their hands up.

Sounds like gender stereotypes are significantly influenced by nurture to me.

CantHoldMeDown · 02/05/2025 17:31

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Aaah, that's three generations of super stories. Please wish your daughter all the best in her mould-breaking career.

Doing the IT GCSE at home also sounds great. (One of the reasons I got into computing after completely wasting a year doing an Art Foundation course in London is because I had a good broad techie range of GCE O-Levels and they reckoned I could manage a Computing HND.) Keeping your options open as long as possible has to be helpful.

What's even nicer (for me) is that when I retired I studied with the OU and I could enjoy doing an Art History BA and MA. Sometimes you can't do it all at the same time.

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