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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

So what arguments might be used by TRAs to overcome the SC judgment?

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Another2Cats · 01/05/2025 12:14

Obviously, leaving aside all the "the SC is corrupt" or "they never heard from trans people" rubbish, I got to thinking about if there is any sort of case that they could make.

I came across this from a trans barrister at the Civitas Law chambers.

This barrister has quite the CV (although quite an unusual name). They did PPE at Oxford and then got a scholarship to study at Harvard. They then worked for Stonewall for three years and then became a barrister.

They were then a Judicial Assistant (a lawyer who assists a senior judge doing research etc) for Lord Lloyd-Jones who was, incidentally, one of the five SC judges that decided the FWS case.

Their name? "Crash Wigley"

And, of course, from the description on the chambers' website

"Crash uses both she/her and they/them as pronouns."
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So, it would suggest that whatever Crash has written criticising the judgment should at least be looked at.

The whole thing is here:

https://www.translegalproject.org/post/for-women-scotland-a-legal-critique

From my (very limited) understanding, Crash criticises the judgment from three points.

Firstly, that the court ignored the Human Rights Act. Section 3(1) of the Human Rights Act 1998 provides that:

“So far as it is possible to do so, primary legislation and subordinate legislation must be read and given effect in a way which is compatible with the Convention rights.”

So, since transgender rights come under Article 8 of the ECHR then any interpretation of the EA 2010 must include transwomen as women (this is my very shortened summary of a detailed argument).

Crash goes on to make a case that the SC did not consider the HRA 1998 when it came to its decision because it did not explicitly refer to it in the judgment.

But (again in my very limited understanding), it seems that the opening words of Section 3(1) are very important:

“So far as it is possible to do so..."

In that it is only a requirement to do this if it is possible. But, more widely, it seems that, back then, not a lot of consideration was given to other groups.

If sex were not biological then does that not engage the Article 8 rights of women, gay men and lesbians? (and all men anyway, come to think of it?)

So, doesn't it come down to balancing the competing rights? And the SC has decided that the balance is to have sex be purely biological.
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The second criticism from Crash is that the House of Lords decided in a case in 2004 (Chief Constable of West Yorkshire v A) that the Sex Discrimination Act 1975 did include trans people and that the SC have ignored this earlier judgment.

Also that the SC ignored the Explanatory Notes and statements made to parliament regarding the GRA 2004.

OK, so I have no idea how important or not these things are.

The West Yorkshire case concerned a transwoman who had had surgery. He applied to join the West Yorkshire police but the application was rejected.

Under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 it appeared that he could search neither men nor women due to different parts of the Act and so he could not perform his duties if he did become a police officer.

He couldn't search women because he was a man and he couldn't search men because he "appeared in every respect to be a woman" and that might cause embarrassment to a man being searched.

So the transwoman launched a discrimination case under the Sex Discrimination Act 1975 which eventually went to the House of Lords.

Crash argues that part of that judgment (para 56) states that "for the purposes of discrimination between men and women in the fields covered by the directive, a trans person is to be regarded as having the sexual identity of the gender to which he or she has been reassigned."

Although, I will note para 11 that referred specifically to a "post-operative transsexual who is visually and for all practical purposes indistinguishable from non-transsexual members of that gender"

Crash went on to say that since the SC did not hold that the West Yorkshire case was wrongly decided then they were bound to follow it. But they didn't.
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Crash then went on to talk about the EHRC. Their guidance up until now has been that trans people should use the toilets of the opposite sex and that they could have made a stronger argument to the court.

But it seems to me that the judgment did say why it rejected the EHRC advice.
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So, I have no idea of the strengths of these arguments (as well written as they are) but I would guess that these are some of the issues that TRAs may be coming up with in the future.

For Women Scotland: a legal critique

Download this article here:Introduction  This article critically discusses the judgment in For Women Scotland v Scottish Ministers [2025] UKSC 16. I have tried where possible for it be accessible to non-lawyers and to lawyers of all specialisms. The ar...

https://www.translegalproject.org/post/for-women-scotland-a-legal-critique

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RipleyJones · 01/05/2025 12:19

My immediate answer is: Who gives a shit, they lost.

SlipperyLizard · 01/05/2025 12:21

I don’t know enough about the legal detail to comment, but thankfully others do:

https://x.com/broonjunior/status/1917840703000043539?s=46&t=X1ma7_QJJ_PDVp-SdExAEg

https://x.com/broonjunior/status/1917840703000043539?s=46&t=X1ma7_QJJ_PDVp-SdExAEg

Another2Cats · 01/05/2025 12:24

SlipperyLizard · 01/05/2025 12:21

I don’t know enough about the legal detail to comment, but thankfully others do:

https://x.com/broonjunior/status/1917840703000043539?s=46&t=X1ma7_QJJ_PDVp-SdExAEg

Thank you. That's a really interesting read

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IwantToRetire · 01/05/2025 17:43

My understanding is that in fact the Supreme Court ruling was very narrow.

It was purely in relation to the EA and how it functions.

Its ruling was that of all the protected characteristics Sex was the only that had it characteristics intruded on by another one. ie gender reassiginment.

The ruling puts all protected characteristic on a equal level.

I haven't had time to read the article suggested but the real issue is the GRA and the GRC and why a "characteristic" that is created by a certificate ever became a protected characteristic in the EA.

Which isn't to say that someone with a GRC should be discriminated against.

There are many other medical condidionts (to get a GRC is a medical process) that could be said to need help from discrimination but they weren't added as a protected characteristic to the EA.

But the problem is because it did happen and is still there, this tiny minority are still saying the protected characteristic of sex should be more than its biological fact and expanded to people with a certificate. As with so much of the arguements from trans activists, this comes from the need to get the group being intruded on, to "affirm" who they are by accepting them into their characteristic of sex.

IwantToRetire · 01/05/2025 17:47

Did you see this? https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/29/uks-first-trans-judge-victoria-mccloud-appeals-to-european-court-over-supreme-court-ruling

This seems to be more about the fact, which many have complained about, that the trans arguement wasn't allowed representation to the Supreme Court.

I think rather than anything else.

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