Killing his daughter for TikTok shame

[MsAmerica]

Her Father Took Her on a Trip to Pakistan. The Police Say It Was a Trap.
Hira Anwar was pulled out of middle school for what she thought was a vacation. Her death is being investigated as a so-called honor killing.
By Sarah Maslin Nir and Zia ur-Rehman

In late January, while on a vacation with her father to his hometown, Quetta, Pakistan, Hira was shot to death in front of her father’s family home. Shortly after, her father, Anwar ul-Haq Rajpoot, tearfully told the police that a random attack had taken his daughter’s life. But the Pakistani police now say that the shooting, and in fact the entire trip, was a trap that he orchestrated.

In a chilling confession, Mr. Rajpoot told investigators he ordered Hira’s execution because her behavior was an embarrassment. Mr. Rajpoot had his daughter killed, he told the police, because “Hira’s clothing choices, lifestyle and social relationships” had brought her family shame.

In Yonkers, her school, her friends and her family are reeling, unable to process the death of an eighth grader whose sass impressed her teachers and whose staunch character made her a go-to referee among her girlfriends.

“It is hard for us to even understand mentally that this actually happened,” the eldest of her two sisters, Heba Anwar, 22, said before declining to comment further. “We were living a very happy nice life.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/07/nyregion/hira-anwar-honor-killing-pakistan.html

It absolutely doesn't let anyone off the hook, that's idiotic.
Refusing to exam the motivation behind the murder, pretending all male violence is the same, that religion and culture don't make any difference...it's all idiotic. You don't stop male violence by lying about it, by shutting down discussion.

I am still not shutting down anything, I am expressing an opinion which despite some views to the contrary I am allowed to despite being white.
Also, I said quite a few times that Culture is certainly involved here as well as some mens interpretation of Islam.
Men will be violent to women and blame it on many things or other people will claim it was down to X or Y and while I do agree that its important to understand why if that can stop it happening (it can't) I object to any descriptions of murder as "islamist" or "Jewish" "Hindu" or "Christian", although its rare that the last 3 are used as descriptors anyway.
I am not a Muslim and am not a fan of any religion, I just think its too simple to write a crime off as Religious when its much more complicated

Stop saying "write off" as if anyone here is saying it doesn't matter because religion was a big factor. It is incredibly stupid to say that.
Nobody is saying that the reason makes it ok, or better, or excusable, or anything at all. It's a fundamental fact of this case, and many others, that religion was a big factor in why this woman was killed. Pretending otherwise demeans this young woman and puts the facts of her life and death aside. It's no way to treat her.

If that’s the case, report to MN. Troll hunting on threads is against talk guidelines. It’s a perfectly valid discussion topic here on FWR.

I found this amusing because of the myopic western focus that blights feminism, especially intersectional feminism. The reddest baddest state in the US is ahead of a South East Asian country with a population of 114 million people where there is total denial of abortion rights, even when a mother's life is in danger or if the pregnancy results from rape and/or incest. Imagine that! There is bad and there is much, much worse. I am not writing this to deflect attention but to show how frustrating and ignorant I find it talking to western feminists on a number of religion based issues. No one condemned the nice climate change focussed Pope Francis for the absolute evil his doctrine does around the world.

Bravo! I am guessing you may be Iranian given your user name.

Wait I just said something awful about Pope Francis. Will I be accused of hating Catholicism? I highly doubt it. There is a lot of hypocrisy and sanctimony around the gate keeping. Is the denial of abortion rights in the Phillipines a cultural or religious issue? It categorically cannot be a religious issue since many catholic countries do allow abortion correct @Hopping Green?

Not everything is about bloody Hamas - who have no problem murdering people who disagree with them.

There are plenty of examples of white males annnihalating their entire families. Some are notionally Christian. Some atheist. Some culturally Christian.

Its so lazy to present this as a religious issue. Yes, religion is sometimes used as an excuse for this shit but it isn’t the actual cause. The cause is deeply dysfunctional psychologically warped men seeped in misogyny which goes under the radar because ‘it’s just what men are like’.

If that was the case, these murders would be common in other Muslim-majority states. Islam gets overlaid on the pre-existing culture, same as any other religion, hence the high prevalence of "honour" murders in Hindu-majority India.

The risk factor is a shame-based morality system with families deemed collectively responsible for moral transgressions made by any single member. Societies where individuals are responsible for themselves and where "what the rest of the village thinks" is relatively unimportant have fewer of this type of murder.

You are totally correct. Honour and shame is highly socially conservative, oppressive, and damaging. Anthropologists (and domestic social commentators living in affected communities) were on to this in the 1960s, but it took a while afterwards to fully acknowledge that it mostly negatively affected women and it wasn’t a benign way of holding ‘a society’ together.

Interesting insight, thank you.

Yeah, you hate the Catholic church. A lot of people do.

The Filipino abortion ban will be a prime example of the men in charge using the religion du jour to justify what they want to do to women. As you say, other majority-Catholic countries, including Italy, have at least some abortion provision.

Christians come with beliefs ranging from vehemently pro-choice to anti-abortion under all circumstances, depending on their denomination and how they interpret their scripture. Islam is pretty much the same: you've got extremist Wahhabism Sunni and the Iranian version of Twelver Shia through to the relatively liberal attitudes found in Turkey and Lebanon.

We absolutely should be talking about how men take religion and twist it to oppress women. We absolutely should be talking about how that looks different across different religions. We need not to be blaming the religion for how men choose to abuse it.

Honour and shame always adversely affect women the most. How else is a man supposed to wield effective control over what he thinks of as the sentient walking uteri that form part of his property?

If you want me to notice your posts its better if you @ me properly
And did I say you hated Islam? I have no idea if you do or whether you hate any religion. Personally I am not a fan of any organised religion and The Catholic Church as an entity is especially awful IMO
I am not very familiar with The Bible but I doubt it mentions abortion or reproductive rights at all, however some people (usually men) use Catholicism to control women as much as any other religion does.
While we are on the subject of Catholicism though I find it interesting that evil done "in its name" is rarely described as a Catholic crime.

While we are on the subject of Catholicism though I find it interesting that evil done "in its name" is rarely described as a Catholic crime.

This is true. We see "islamist" prepended to "bombing" and "terrorism", yet the number of history books describing the Gunpowder Plot as "catholicist terrorism" is zero. In fact, most of the Reformation and subsequent Jacobite rebellion parts of British history are framed as succession wars, not religious wars; if this wasn't the case, the Jacobites would be called after the religion they shared, not the royal dynasty they supported.

Manchester bombings, Warrington, Brighton, Mountbatten etc
None of these are described as "Catholic crimes"

I take it you mean “Manchester bombings” by the IRA, because I think most people will reasonably think of the more recent misogyny-driven Islamist terror attack on some young women and girls at a pop concert.

They were frequently described as “Irish” though.

Utter rubbish

Because it is not true

They were "Irish" bombings, but the enmeshment of religion in the history of Ireland, going back as far as Laudabiliter of 1155, means that they are "Catholic" bombings too.

I’m really not bothered if you or anyone else want to call them “Catholic bombings”. I’m an agnostic atheist. I don’t have sacred castes.

The salient point here is that there is such a thing as “honour killing”. I abhor the term, but to say it has nothing to do with religion is absurd.

It's frequently culture. I.e. notions of family honour is some places are dependent upon the virginity of daughters and thus a daughter who is wayward in any way is seen as a problem. Not just Muslim cultures either, also Christian and Hindu. And 'bride burning' has been a feature of Hindu culture, intertwined with dowry demands from the husband's family to the wife's family.