Transmen who have been raped by transwomen.

[TicklishLemur]

This seems to be a serious and common issue. A transman posted her story on twitter, and there has been a number of other accounts shared. Including one where the victim in question was only 12 years old! You can see the two posts here:
https://x.com/ged68050/status/1917311182223929615

Have others come across this issue before? I remember reading a while back about Rose Montoya (the trans-identified man who exposed his breasts at the white house) raping several transmen, including one recovering from genital surgery and unable to fight back. There were also reports of Eli Erlick (a trans-identified man and activist) committing severe sexual assaults (forcible fisting) on several transmen.

Both victims on twitter spoke about attempts to silence them within the transgender community and shaming for having spoken up. I wonder how many other victims there are of this kind of VAWG, and if they are being obscured due to their self identification as men and their attacker's self identification as women.

Awful yes. But... men preying on vulnerable women? Plus ca change.

True, but I do think this is a particularly high risk area. We have lots of neurodiverse, mentally ill and deeply vulnerable young women identifying as trans. And who are they encountering in that community? Lots of older, heterosexual men who commit sexual offences at an even higher rate that other men. It's a recipe for disaster.

Yes, not rape specifically but definitely predatory behaviour. There was a podcast episode a few years back (on Benjamin Boyce?) where a detransitioner spoke about how she and other young trans men went to 'queer' support groups with older trans women and got into relationships with them. Iirc the trans men were teens, maybe 15 or 16, and the trans women were older, twenties or thirties. She spoke about how keen she and her friends were to be kind and inclusive, and also how when they did try raise objections, it was framed as 'male privilege'. I seem to remember they were taken to some kind of porn awards event when underage.
The whole thing was messed up.

Yes the accusation of 'male privilege' being used to silence transmen by transwomen is endemic. It's absolute DARVO and insane that anyone could believe it.

It was Benji, GNC Centric on You Tube. She has her own channel but I know she talked about this issue on The Mess We're In with Glinner and Arty Morty.

I remember the accusations about Montoya at the time. I remember also hearing from Benji from Canada when she first detransitioned that she told the story of the 'transgender youth group' that was very small with just some teenaged female people and adult male people (ie transwomen) as 'leaders'. She was very clear that those male people preyed on the teenaged female people who had declared they were 'transmen'.

She told the world that these male people had sex with all the teenagers. These were very vulnerable teenaged girls and they were groomed.

oh. cross posted.

"True, but I do think this is a particularly high risk area. We have lots of neurodiverse, mentally ill and deeply vulnerable young women identifying as trans"

This must be a concern when some posters ( on other threads) are suggesting transmen use male toilets rather than the women's....

transman posted her story on twitter, and there has been a number of other accounts shared. Including one where the victim in question was only 12 years old!
Sorry a 12 yo transman??

The ex partner of a prominent Scottish transwoman posted on here a bit. She had been in an abusive relationship with him, raped. And was at that time going to get married iirc to her new partner. I cant recall if she'd destransitioned or not. I hope she's well, I do think of her sometimes.

Unfortunately her story was picked up and used in the media, and she'd understandably wanted to avoid that for fear of attracting more abuse.

I remember. That was very concerning for her. I hope she was ok.

That's absolutely awful. I didn't realise that. I've had a quick search online and I think I know who that transwoman is you mean. I already knew he was not a nice person anyway due to other things he'd done (with photographic evidence). Hmmm. Horrible that's happened and he's not been held accountable.

I'll pm you.

If only the Be Kinders would realise this movement is mostly about sex. Men getting their rocks off in multiple different ways.

What Tallisker said.

I forgot, who were the couple where he'd put some nasty pictures online of him forcing his fist into her mouth, I think he had bitten her face too?

It's not really a big surprise given the different profiles, ages and power differentials between the men and the women/girls, the sexual motivations of many of the men involved and high rate of sexual offending - and the fact that so many of the men calling themselves women seem to really, really loathe actual women...

You're thinking of Grace Lavery

Where is the safeguarding? Why are underage children who are already particularly vulnerable being mixed in with adult men? It's a disgrace.

Yes, I have concerns regarding the exception allowing transmen to be excluded from female only space. I hope it is used very sparingly. I can understand it's application to something like a rape crisis centre, where women may be traumatised by the presence of someone they perceive to be male, but organisations like Sex Matters are trying to say it applies much more widely, such as to toilets. I can think of no good reason to ban female people from female toilets based on their appearance. It appears to undermine the clarification that sex means biological sex only.

An adult transman now, but 12 years old at the time of the rape. However, already trans-identified by that age by the looks of it as she met the rapist at a trans support group.

I talked about this in a post before. All Adult Human Females should be welcome in female spaces, regardless of their appearance.

I also think this is why 3rd spaces aren't suitable, and that there would need to be four spaces, otherwise there would be sitautions where AHMs and AHFs are mixing, and this could lead to situations mentioned above.

AHMs retain their offending behaviour, so why should AHFs be forced into a 3rd space with them.

This is a really important feature that needs to be addressed. Young transmen (girls) in particular are incredibly vulnerable to online grooming. My daughter although not trans has had experience of online trans friends who have been subject to what I could see as coercive abuse from other trans by way of bullying, humiliation, aggression, blackmailing. Really nasty and manipulative. From the limited details my daughter would tell me about even I as an adult found it very confusing and really hard to know what was real. I suspect much older transwomen (men) were behind the worst of it. I don't think in the cases I know of it came to meeting in real life but the it doesn't surprise me that trans on trans abuse is very real.

yes.... right.... How many posters here do you see say they know all about safeguarding, yet immediately then show that they know nothing about strong safeguarding at all?

I think if the third space is things like single user fully enclosed toilets then that is fine. But a mixed trans ward or such would be dangerous. Trans-identified women need protection from men just like any other woman. These examples show how true that is.

Yes absolutely. All young people are vulnerable to a degree but one struggling with their identity, who may feel alienated from their family and who is more likely to have comorbidities like autism, depression, or adverse childhood experiences is even more so.

The post of the transman who was having a 'hard time' at home and leapt at the chance to stay with someone they saw as being like an aunty demonstrated that perfectly. A deeply vulnerable and sad little girl, something her rapist used to manipulate her with. It's heart breaking.

Although it appeared she was already experimenting with a transgender identity, I can't help but wonder whether such a traumatic event, followed by an abortion which would also have been very traumatic for a child, cemented the gender dysphoria and led to her deciding to become a transman as an adult.