quick question - what was the phrase used about transwomen - the most ...?

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sorry, brains gone blank...

What did they call this group/themselves?

The most marginalised, discriminated etc...?

Please remind me....there were some very choice phrases!

vulnerable and marginalised.

Never any metric by which they were measuring this, of course.

Stunning and brave, as well.

Vulnerable

Vulnerable, marginalised, oppressed were the main three.

Most at risk of murder and suicide as well.

None of which was backed up by any statistics that weren't about trans sex workers in Brazil.

Marginalised and vulnerable:

thecritic.co.uk/neither-marginalised-abused-nor-vulnerable/

The most....

I am Black, I think I know what discrimination and being marginalised or vulnerable looks like. Clue: It's not that.

Privilege and entitlement does spring to mind for a certain vocal trans contingent.

thanks!!!

vulnerable - that was the word I was looking for!!!

This always puzzled me. Why? More than disabled people? More than people of colour? More than women who have been abused or children?

I mean, I'm sure body dismorphia is no picnic but I don't think every person in the trans umbrella is dismorphic. I never understood where it came from or why it was parroted at the highest levels. The PM definitely referred to trans people in this way.

Yes, as until now a paid up LibDem I have just had a email from Mark Pack saying that

Christine Jardine, the party’s equalities spokesperson, has put it well regarding the court judgement over the definition of woman under equalities law: “Too many people I know are now afraid of what the Supreme Court judgement will mean for them. We need clarity and we need it quickly and we need to know that their rights will be protected, with a compassionate solution.”
She has written to the Government asking them to make clear how trans and non-binary rights will be protected, and you can read her letter here.^

I have written back to ask him to clarify
what rights have been lost, can she guarantee women's rights and as an Equalities minister will she be turning her attention to people of colour, who IMO are still probably the most discriminated people in this country.

I haven't yet told him he's lost my membership because of this, and I used to be quite active although not much recently.

EXACTLY @Mumteedum -

Why? More than disabled people? More than people of colour? More than women who have been abused or children?
To me - these are far far more vulnerable...

I never understood where it came from or why it was parroted at the highest levels.

@Peregrina - Me too - I even gave them (for me) large chunks of money! The lib dems lost my vote when they lost their mind about this...

I have quite a number of mixed race people in my close family, and one wholly non white, many of whom have suffered racist abuse, for doing no more than minding their business as they go about their daily lives.

I can feel some sympathy for people who think they are in the wrong body, which sounds like a mental illness to me. I can feel sympathy for people with DSDs which must make their lives difficult.

I have zero sympathy for the "Beth" Upton's and "Leah" Thomas's of the world who are just privileged white men having a tantrum. I have little for those men and women supporting them.

I expect an unequivocal statement from political party leaders that they uphold the law without question.

It's incredible that the 'most marginalised' thing is still being trotted out by politicians - usually with a sad face and slight quiver in the voice - although anybody who knows anything about society knows that trans people are most definitely not it.

It's so insulting to the groups in society who are marginalised, who are discriminated against, who are vulnerable - and who haven't chosen their marginalised status, and who don't wear it like a badge or wave it like a flag, and who just want their own rights, not their own rights plus somebody else's.

Vulnerable and if you don't agree they'll wee over statues and show you some lovely pictures to help you agree.

I always wonder who the second most vulnerable group is supposed to be. There should be a chart, like when environmental NGOs release the lists of the ten most endangered species of bird. I mean, if it's agreed that trans-identifying people are the most vulnerable, we should have agreement on the groups who are nearly as vulnerable as trans people.

My problem is that all the groups I think of seem more vulnerable than trans people, e.g. refugees, child abuse victims, child soldiers in conflict, non-verbal disabled people, victims of human trafficking, people with dementia...

Yes, it's as though only one group counts 😉