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‘Rights can be knocked out in a second’: older transwomen shocked by SC ruling

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RethinkingLife · 27/04/2025 10:17

People may recognise the photograph and name of Christine Burns (Press for Change).

https://gendercriticalwoman.blog/category/christine-burns/

Christine Burns, a retired activist and internationally recognised health adviser, charts “a fairly straight line of progress” towards the passing of the Gender Recognition Act in 2004, which allowed trans people to change gender on their birth certificate, marry to reflect their chosen identity and gave them privacy around their transition. That legislation “mattered so much to people” says Burns, while acknowledging that only a minority of the community have gone on to apply for a GRC.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/27/older-trans-women-shocked-by-supreme-court-ruling

The usual hyperbole with feeling “their safety and security has suddenly been removed”. Whittle features, of course. As does Roz Kaveney who neutrally would say to young people: “”don’t be scared, just be prepared to fight for your lives”.

‘Rights can be knocked out in a second’: older trans women shocked by supreme court ruling

Women who transitioned decades ago feel their safety and security has suddenly been removed

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/apr/27/older-trans-women-shocked-by-supreme-court-ruling

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Maaate · 28/04/2025 16:13

Are Whittle, et al accepting any responsibility for their part in this.

Lol, what am I thinking 🤣

TheOtherRaven · 28/04/2025 16:15

Yeah, you can't have a battle of reality and facts with an unarmed person.

Shortshriftandlethal · 28/04/2025 16:25

It is about boundaries and definitions, and the fact that other groups and individuals have them too. You cannot just do, and claim, anything you want.

Pushing the boundaries tends always to be presented as a positive thing.......but when you push too far and/or too fast you land yourself in trouble. Because boundaries are usually there for a good reason.

The whole trans movement is predicated on a total lack of clarity and a blurring of the boundaries. Words have no meaning other than what you want them to mean. There are no fixed definitions. Discrimination is always a bad thing.

Let's just pretend everything is too complicated or confusing and then no-one will attempt realise what we're doing .We can present anything as the truth and if we push that version enough people will believe it. We can enage in magical and wishful thinking and act as if what we want has already happened.

We don't require logic or consistency of thought. We elevate feelings before all else...and make everyone subservient to them.

All of the above is also why there is a huge mental health crisis with 50% of trans identified people apparently claiming a disability. People cannot cope with reality. They cannot cope with any limitations on their self focus or their self expression. They think everything is just about them.

FlakyCritic · 28/04/2025 17:11

RethinkingLife · 27/04/2025 10:35

Hasn’t the Guardian managed to frame them, by word and photograph, as harmless grandparent types.

Masterful in its own way.

Remarkable claim by Whttle that is completely at odds with recent rhetoric.

Whittle likewise recalls the trans community’s solidarity with women in previous decades. “We’ve always been respectful of women’s rights. In the 80s and 90s we were out on the streets along with them and they were alongside us in this fight. And any trans person will tell you they have a lifetime’s experience of sexual assault and rape. Do [gender critical groups] not think we care about those issues?”

I would say that your care for this has, notably, been invisible. Particularly wrt ERCC and in general.

“We’ve always been respectful of women’s rights."

Bwhaahahahahahahahahaha That is the biggest fucking joke ever! They have NEVER been respectful of womens rights. If they were, they wouldn't advocate for males exposing their penis to women and little girls in their female only spaces.

"In the 80s and 90s we were out on the streets along with them and they were alongside us in this fight."

Another fucking joke! Trans have never advocate for females ever, they've never advocated for anyone but males and male supremacy.

"And any trans person will tell you they have a lifetime’s experience of sexual assault and rape. Do [gender critical groups] not think we care about those issues?”

No, males do NOT have a 'lifetime's experience' of sexual assault and rape. A built like a brick shithouse male is going to have less experience of sexual assault and rape than women and girls. There is nothing these males won't colonise, including sexual assault and rape. And if they cared about those issues, they wouldn't advocate for males exposing themselves to women and girls in female only spaces.

WallaceinAnderland · 28/04/2025 17:32

What actually are the rights that have supposedly been lost? Which law has been revoked? How many rights have been lost? Is there a list somewhere that I'm not aware of?

This is a serious question as I don't understand what rights they are referring to.

Balloonhearts · 28/04/2025 17:45

They never had the right. They encroached where they weren't welcome and now are being told to back the fuck off. Women have the right to be in female spaces. Transwomen are not Women.

MsFogi · 28/04/2025 17:46

Surprise surprise - rights can be lost very easily. Just ask the women of Iran (too many rights lost to list), the women in certain states in America (abortion rights) etc. That is why the SC ruling was so important - if woman had not been defined by reference to biology then women in the UK would have pretty much lost all their rights under equality legislation because men would be able to identify into them making them devoid of any substance.

RethinkingLife · 28/04/2025 20:39

WallaceinAnderland · 28/04/2025 17:32

What actually are the rights that have supposedly been lost? Which law has been revoked? How many rights have been lost? Is there a list somewhere that I'm not aware of?

This is a serious question as I don't understand what rights they are referring to.

All good questions and ones the journalist should have asked.

Instead, we’re subjected to credulous hagiographies and assertions with nothing to stand them up.

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SidewaysOtter · 28/04/2025 22:05

Which law has been revoked?

I think it's Stonewall Law, although it's been less "revoked" and more "found not to have existed in the first place".

JeremiahBullfrog · 28/04/2025 22:12

Always thought it a bit odd that transwomen like to go on about being assaulted all the time but you hardly ever see it reported in the media... Surely pro-trans journalists ought to be falling over themselves to give us real solid stories of how bad things are for them?

Also one would expect anyone who has been a victim of male violence to have just a modicum of empathy for women's concerns.

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/04/2025 08:35

JeremiahBullfrog · 28/04/2025 22:12

Always thought it a bit odd that transwomen like to go on about being assaulted all the time but you hardly ever see it reported in the media... Surely pro-trans journalists ought to be falling over themselves to give us real solid stories of how bad things are for them?

Also one would expect anyone who has been a victim of male violence to have just a modicum of empathy for women's concerns.

I'm absolutely sick of this claim that all of these people are the "most vulnerable", as well as the "most lovely".

As someone else has suggested I'd say that most of the men are motivated by a sexual urge/erotic fixation...whether they be trans identified through autogynephilia and the practice of cross dressing, or whether they be gay and same sex attracted.

On of these "lovely" people was a teacher at the same school as my daughter - at an all girls school. He was young and gay, and his version of 'woman' seemed to involve a ton of thickly applied make up and overtly 'Feminine' clothing.

This teacher ran an LGBTQ lunctime club, which was attended by some very vulnerable girls from difficult backgrounds. It was suggested to some of them that perhaps the reason for their distress might be because 'they were trans'.
Behind their back he referred to them as " little slags". Lovely...and so empathic towards his pupils.

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/04/2025 08:37

JeremiahBullfrog · 28/04/2025 22:12

Always thought it a bit odd that transwomen like to go on about being assaulted all the time but you hardly ever see it reported in the media... Surely pro-trans journalists ought to be falling over themselves to give us real solid stories of how bad things are for them?

Also one would expect anyone who has been a victim of male violence to have just a modicum of empathy for women's concerns.

I suspect a lot of the assaults take place in the context of gay sexual relationships.

CarobBean72 · 01/05/2025 18:11

SidewaysOtter · 27/04/2025 22:00

Well, that’s quite interesting. How did they come to be stuck to the LGB to make the whole LGBTQIAWTF? Did they get over themselves with regards gay people not being “degenerates” or did they see the rising acceptance of gay rights as particularly effective cover?

I think there was always an agenda, but it didn’t take off until Stonewall (in the U.K. at any rate) achieved its aim (equal age of consent & equal marriage) & faced the choice of disbanding, doing something difficult & fraught with danger (campaigning for LGB rights overseas) or shifting focus.

They chose the lucrative & - what must have seemed - easier option.

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