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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Charities whose charitable registration states women and girls but use funds to provide services for TiM

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WhoAreYouTalkingTo · 26/04/2025 13:50

What do people think about places like Le Leche League and Rape Crisis centres who are registered with governing documents with The Charity Commission with charitable objectives to provide for women and girls, but who use those funds to provide services to TiM?

Surely this goes against their registration? I only ask because I noticed that Rape Crisis CEO put a post on LinkedIn saying they will still provide services to trans and women (in single sex and mixed offers, so no issue with that, everyone deserves support), but they are registered to obtain donations to support women and girls:

Rape Crisis Tyneside and Newcastle

Constituency search - prd-ds-register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk

Charity details for RAPE CRISIS TYNESIDE AND NORTHUMBERLAND - Charity 1138149

https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/en/constituency-search/-/charity-details/5010816/governing-document

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loveyouradvice · 26/04/2025 13:51

That is very interesting ... and one they need to point out to their trustees pronto (so that they can take action one way or the other)... they will be breaking charity law after the supreme court judgement

DragonRunor · 26/04/2025 13:55

I would say that’s a very good point. I wonder what the Charity Commission would say (if anyone were to ask them 😉)

Bannedontherun · 26/04/2025 15:04

Ex charity sector worker/trustee here

charities can not operate outside their objectives so if there objectives state women only then they will have to have an extraordinary meeting and seek to amend their objects by a membership vote in line with SC ruling of what woman means

LonginesPrime · 26/04/2025 15:40

Isn’t the exception for charities to exclude, for example, men as beneficiaries of a women’s charity covered by the EA 2010?

If so, I’d have thought the definition of woman tracks through from the SC ruling, so as @Bannedontherun suggests, they would have to change their objects to make it mixed sex if they want to include TW as beneficiaries.

Maddy70 · 26/04/2025 15:48

Anyone who has been raped trans or not should be able to access support

Brainworm · 26/04/2025 15:53

They need to exclude those of the opposite sex or change their objects.

If they try and group trans women with women, it’ll be interesting to see how they will justify excluding men without the PC of gender reassignment. What would be proportionate about that?

Brainworm · 26/04/2025 15:54

Maddy70 · 26/04/2025 15:48

Anyone who has been raped trans or not should be able to access support

Absolutely. I’m not sure what that has to do with the thread though.

MolluscMonday · 26/04/2025 15:54

Maddy70 · 26/04/2025 15:48

Anyone who has been raped trans or not should be able to access support

Way to miss the point there Maddy.

Queenage · 26/04/2025 16:06

I saw that post too but not sure if she’s deleted it. Interesting point.

MrsPositivity1 · 26/04/2025 16:15

What is TiM?

WhoAreYouTalkingTo · 26/04/2025 16:19

MrsPositivity1 · 26/04/2025 16:15

What is TiM?

Trans Identifying Male

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WhoAreYouTalkingTo · 26/04/2025 16:21

Maddy70 · 26/04/2025 15:48

Anyone who has been raped trans or not should be able to access support

I dont think anyone has said they shouldn't be able to. I certainly said in my post that they should be able to. My issue is that people who donate are donating to a "women and girl" charity, and their money has been used for a different purpose. That is fraudulent.

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lnks · 26/04/2025 16:42

Maddy70 · 26/04/2025 15:48

Anyone who has been raped trans or not should be able to access support

Nobody said a trans person shouldn’t be able to access support.

WhoAreYouTalkingTo · 26/04/2025 17:25

DragonRunor · 26/04/2025 13:55

I would say that’s a very good point. I wonder what the Charity Commission would say (if anyone were to ask them 😉)

To complain to the CC you have to first complain to the charity themselves. I've complained to LLL

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IwantToRetire · 26/04/2025 20:05

OP raises and interesting point.

Not having read this one groups constitution its hard to comment.

Many charities have a vague all purpose clause along the lines of "anything that furthers the purpose of the aims".

Also possible, that up until know they thought they were covered by the widely spread misinformation about accepting trans women as women (within the law).

I read both the short and long response from Rape Crisis England and Wales, which basically said each group is autonomous and they decide what they want to do.

But maybe if not now, then later, they should send members groups legal guidance on the very issue the OP raises.

Whether in the instance of the group cited, or others, we should never underestimate just how effectively Stonewall's false law had been accepted not just in the charity sector, but also businesses, as being legally correct.

On a more negative note, I wonder how many groups like this one will just ammend their aims and objectives to say women and trans women.

I suspect many will, as much because they think they are more likely to get funding it they do.

Not forgetting that funders give far more money than individuals so it may come down to that.

Sadly.

Janie143 · 26/04/2025 20:23

Mmmmm does this mean Stonewall have being acting fraudulently. This was posted on the Stonewall thread

Their accounts are public.

Their first objective is interesting

to promote human rights (as set out in the universal declaration of human rights and subsequent united nations conventions and declarations) throughout the world by all or any of the following means o (a) monitoring abuses of human rights o (b) research into human rights abuses o (c) educating the public about human rights o (d) providing advice to government and others on human rights matters o (e) contributing to the sound administration of human rights law o (f) commenting on proposed human rights legislation o (g) raising awareness of human rights issues o (h) promoting public support for human rights o (i) promoting respect for human rights among individuals and corporations o (j) international advocacy of human rights o (k) eliminating infringements of human rights in furtherance of that object, but not otherwise, the trustees shall have power to engage in political activity provide that the trustees are satisfied that the proposed activities will further the purposes of the charity to an extent justified by the resources committed and the activity is not the dominant means by which the charity carries out its objects.

No mention of LGBTQIXYZ

Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/04/2025 08:01

IwantToRetire · 26/04/2025 20:05

OP raises and interesting point.

Not having read this one groups constitution its hard to comment.

Many charities have a vague all purpose clause along the lines of "anything that furthers the purpose of the aims".

Also possible, that up until know they thought they were covered by the widely spread misinformation about accepting trans women as women (within the law).

I read both the short and long response from Rape Crisis England and Wales, which basically said each group is autonomous and they decide what they want to do.

But maybe if not now, then later, they should send members groups legal guidance on the very issue the OP raises.

Whether in the instance of the group cited, or others, we should never underestimate just how effectively Stonewall's false law had been accepted not just in the charity sector, but also businesses, as being legally correct.

On a more negative note, I wonder how many groups like this one will just ammend their aims and objectives to say women and trans women.

I suspect many will, as much because they think they are more likely to get funding it they do.

Not forgetting that funders give far more money than individuals so it may come down to that.

Sadly.

This basically. The funders that rape support charities rely on are either the state so national or local government or NHS, all totally captured who would insist that women includes TW and charitable trusts who are equally as captured

of course now EHRC have issued guidance we know that charities for women and girls cabt pretend to be for women and girls if they include men so they’ll have to either change men & arts to say everyone or exclude TW

I csnt see this happening quickly though…

Bannedontherun · 27/04/2025 15:19

@LonginesPrime i ran a variety of women only services for over 20 years the EQA carried forward the exemptions from the sex discrimination act section 7 if I recall

@Maddy70 of course any person who has been raped should have access to a service just not a woman only one, men are free to set up their own groups

as we women did in the70s

WhoAreYouTalkingTo · 28/04/2025 22:53

From the Rape Crisis Statement posted on another thread today: "Depending on a range of factors, including their charitable objects, facilities and commissioning requirements, many Rape Crisis centres offer services to men, boys and gender diverse people – some have always done so."

So it seems they are supposed to work within their charitable objectives (who'd have guessed). If even the umbrella organisation is recognising this then surely RCTN are really at odds?

No word back from LLL as yet. Anyone else want to try another charity for answers?

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Nevertrustacop · 28/04/2025 23:00

Aren't GIRL guides a charity?
How will they justify their funding of boys?

Slothtoes · 28/04/2025 23:12

This was noted about Girl Guiding UK who were some kind of royal charter super charity IIRC and who mentioned women and girls in their legal aims as a charity but were also spending time on including boys and men and saying they’d manage out girls who identified as boys. Apologies if I mischaracterised that but it stuck in my mind as an example of mission creep. .

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