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Kooth and gender ideology wrt mental health and young people

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its2346 · 25/04/2025 23:52

Our local council is implementing Kooth on all children’s iPads, from about ages 10 and up. I know it has been criticised in the past for its approach to gender ideology. Please tell me what you know about it and if parents should still be concerned.

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Timefortea4 · 26/04/2025 09:40

I logged into the Kooth chat rooms a while ago to check this. Young kids obsessing about their identities supporting each other. Very odd, I would not want my children to access it.

its2346 · 26/04/2025 11:06

No, nor would I.

In the Telegraph article last year it also referred to peer to peer ‘support’ on issues of anorexia. I just wondered if significant changes had been implemented since then.

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Pyjamatimenow · 26/04/2025 11:12

Following for info

Pyjamatimenow · 26/04/2025 11:29

the information we have been sent by school is that the peer to peer communities are moderated and safe. I doubt that’s true

its2346 · 26/04/2025 19:11

I’ve been trying to research Kooth — and it’s not easy. There’s a heavy reliance on words like ‘training’, ‘safeguarding’, and ‘professional standards’, but it’s hard to work out what any of that actually means in practice.

I think …

Training is minimum Level 4 diploma, BACP-recognised.

Safeguarding is Level 3, but as far as I can tell that’s just a one-day training session.

It’s the peer-to-peer discussion groups that really bother me. Monitoring seems heavily reliant on tech tools — keyword detection, AI pattern recognition — which then flags a moderator (aka an ‘emotional wellbeing supporter’ 🙄). I can’t see why I should trust that any more than ‘peer-to-peer’ interaction on any other social media platform.

And then there’s the Telegraph article from last year (linked). Kooth responded to this by stressing they weren’t under investigation and that safeguarding was Level 3, not 1. But honestly, those weren’t the parts of the article that concerned me most.

The whole approach seems to assume children won’t come to their parents. Maybe not — but I’d hope I can spot distress when it happens, and respond.

I can’t help thinking that supplying tools like this implicitly tells children there is better support out there than their parents. Also the dopamine effect of tech might make a child go to Kooth first, and that might actually mean they are less likely to come to their parents at all.

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/2024.03.22-182247/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/21/pro-trans-website-for-children-backed-by-nhs-investigated" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://archive.ph/2024.03.22-182247/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/21/pro-trans-website-for-children-backed-by-nhs-investigated/

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Pyjamatimenow · 30/04/2025 13:15

It looks like this is the time of year that they are going into a lot of schools in my area especially with the y6s doing SATs. School’s are well intentioned, hoping to help with exam anxiety etc but parents should have a good look at what’s being offered

ArabellaScott · 30/04/2025 13:23

Our council rolled this out and immediately all the red flags went up.

Wholly agree that the structure seems far too lax on safeguarding.

ArabellaScott · 30/04/2025 13:26

'How do you manage any safeguarding or risk concerns, when you are an anonymous service?

We believe that our anonymity supports effective safeguarding, rather than acting as a barrier. ...Young people consistently tell us that the anonymity aspect of our service enables them to disclose things that they wouldn't otherwise tell anyone....

Why do you encourage users to keep their username and password private from their parents?

We encourage all users to ensure that their log in details are private. This is to protect their confidentiality and anonymity. We know that users may not disclose things if they are concerned that their family or friends are able to see that information.'

ArabellaScott · 30/04/2025 13:27

'What if an adult signs up to the site and pretends to be a child?

Our sign up process relies on trust that people select accurate responses around their demographic information, including age. This does mean that it is possible for adult individuals to sign up with an account where they are claiming to be a young person. However, our continuous safeguarding and moderation processes ensure that even if this was the case, they would not be able to interact inappropriately with other users.'

All copypasted from: https://www.kooth.com/parent-faqs

Pyjamatimenow · 30/04/2025 13:31

Doesn’t sound brilliant does it? Very worrying

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/04/2025 13:51

"10 year olds need confidentiality from their parents" - said no responsible adult ever!
We "trust" that adults won't sign up as children - said no responsible safeguarding organisation ever.

At a time when parents and society generally are increasingly concerned about the negative impact of social media on children and safeguarding organisations report huge problems with predators accessing children online, Kooth raises so many red flags.

OuterSpaceCadet · 30/04/2025 16:11

An adult posing as a kid would't necessarily need to behave inappropriately in the eyes of the AI mod tools to gain trust of a child user. Would Kooth spot anything that suggested that users were meeting up IRL having met online?

It's very suspicious to start from the stance that the account is secret from the child's parents. I'd be really surprised at a school going along with this. It runs counter to safeguarding etc. A child receiving confidential therapy will know that the therapist will need to break confidentiality if the child says anything that indicates they or someone else will come to harm. Only in very specific circumstances will therapists and schools not inform parents, and those will be situations where social services are already involved.

its2346 · 30/04/2025 18:13

ArabellaScott · 30/04/2025 13:27

'What if an adult signs up to the site and pretends to be a child?

Our sign up process relies on trust that people select accurate responses around their demographic information, including age. This does mean that it is possible for adult individuals to sign up with an account where they are claiming to be a young person. However, our continuous safeguarding and moderation processes ensure that even if this was the case, they would not be able to interact inappropriately with other users.'

All copypasted from: https://www.kooth.com/parent-faqs

Edited

Bloody hell, that shocked me!

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TheVeryLastofUs · 30/04/2025 18:15

Kooth is problematic on many levels. They do employ some trained counsellors, but many of their direct delivery staff are ‘emotional wellbeing practitioners’. They may have some kind of qualification or lived experience of their own, but this is patchy. Their pay scales for these roles are also incredibly low and as such they struggle to attract suitable staff, and struggle to hold onto them. Their turnover rates are astronomical.

Although they have safeguarding structures in place, the anonymity makes actual safeguarding very difficult. They partially mask IP addresses so it is also impossible to trace young people who explicitly tell Kooth that they are at immediate risk.

They do have some reasonable reviews online, however they are bumped up in reflection of the 5* reviews that they request are left by adults after going to assemblies etc. Reviews from actual young people are poor and in some cases incredibly worrying. Employee reviews are also quite damning.

Internal culture is not great. Big staff turnover as I mentioned and bullying is rife through all levels of the business. Anyone courageous enough to speak out and challenge leadership behaviour or the safety of young people are swiftly and quietly exited.

They do have a significant problem with adults signing up and pretending to be young people. This is denied internally and low paid staff trying to manage this are silenced. Users cannot directly communicate with each other, but it’s concerning that even after all these years, they have not been able to implement measures to manage this.

Kooth talk an extremely good talk, hence their contracts up and down the country. They are very skilled at this. The actual service is unsafe.

I don’t believe this will change for the young people. Even if they do get investigated somewhere down the line; they talk a very good talk.

peakedtraybake · 30/04/2025 18:22

I signed up a while ago (claiming to be a child) to nosey around and see if it looked suitable for my children. It was a definite no. Lots of children describing their misery and not getting replies or else getting replies from other miserable children. It didn't look very effective as peer support.
I didn't see anything specifically related to GI, but IIRC their policy stance is pro GI.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 30/04/2025 18:42

TheVeryLastofUs · 30/04/2025 18:15

Kooth is problematic on many levels. They do employ some trained counsellors, but many of their direct delivery staff are ‘emotional wellbeing practitioners’. They may have some kind of qualification or lived experience of their own, but this is patchy. Their pay scales for these roles are also incredibly low and as such they struggle to attract suitable staff, and struggle to hold onto them. Their turnover rates are astronomical.

Although they have safeguarding structures in place, the anonymity makes actual safeguarding very difficult. They partially mask IP addresses so it is also impossible to trace young people who explicitly tell Kooth that they are at immediate risk.

They do have some reasonable reviews online, however they are bumped up in reflection of the 5* reviews that they request are left by adults after going to assemblies etc. Reviews from actual young people are poor and in some cases incredibly worrying. Employee reviews are also quite damning.

Internal culture is not great. Big staff turnover as I mentioned and bullying is rife through all levels of the business. Anyone courageous enough to speak out and challenge leadership behaviour or the safety of young people are swiftly and quietly exited.

They do have a significant problem with adults signing up and pretending to be young people. This is denied internally and low paid staff trying to manage this are silenced. Users cannot directly communicate with each other, but it’s concerning that even after all these years, they have not been able to implement measures to manage this.

Kooth talk an extremely good talk, hence their contracts up and down the country. They are very skilled at this. The actual service is unsafe.

I don’t believe this will change for the young people. Even if they do get investigated somewhere down the line; they talk a very good talk.

Thanks for this. Yet another organisation letting children down while cashing in on their mental vulnerability. Shameful.
Time for another journalist expose on them.

ArabellaScott · 30/04/2025 20:17

TheVeryLastofUs · 30/04/2025 18:15

Kooth is problematic on many levels. They do employ some trained counsellors, but many of their direct delivery staff are ‘emotional wellbeing practitioners’. They may have some kind of qualification or lived experience of their own, but this is patchy. Their pay scales for these roles are also incredibly low and as such they struggle to attract suitable staff, and struggle to hold onto them. Their turnover rates are astronomical.

Although they have safeguarding structures in place, the anonymity makes actual safeguarding very difficult. They partially mask IP addresses so it is also impossible to trace young people who explicitly tell Kooth that they are at immediate risk.

They do have some reasonable reviews online, however they are bumped up in reflection of the 5* reviews that they request are left by adults after going to assemblies etc. Reviews from actual young people are poor and in some cases incredibly worrying. Employee reviews are also quite damning.

Internal culture is not great. Big staff turnover as I mentioned and bullying is rife through all levels of the business. Anyone courageous enough to speak out and challenge leadership behaviour or the safety of young people are swiftly and quietly exited.

They do have a significant problem with adults signing up and pretending to be young people. This is denied internally and low paid staff trying to manage this are silenced. Users cannot directly communicate with each other, but it’s concerning that even after all these years, they have not been able to implement measures to manage this.

Kooth talk an extremely good talk, hence their contracts up and down the country. They are very skilled at this. The actual service is unsafe.

I don’t believe this will change for the young people. Even if they do get investigated somewhere down the line; they talk a very good talk.

Thank you.

If I were an investigative journalist, I'd be looking into this.

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