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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS Policy Audit - working party - thread #2

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KnottyAuty · 25/04/2025 15:32

This is a thread about “keeping the receipts” on NHS Policies prior to the Supreme Court ruling on 16th April 2025.

Our working theory is that there were no single sex spaces for NHS Staff or Patients in the entire country before that date, having all been removed by stealth. We are aiming to prove this by auditing websites and policies for all the UK trusts and using the results to raise public awareness. As well as recording what has happened historically, the information will form a baseline so we can check which Trusts comply or defy the judgement in due course.

We are working around the country region by region. If you fancy getting involved in a bit of grassroots feminism then please do join in to help!? Each trust takes about an hour to research and you can upload online without giving any personal details away. Comment below and we can give you the link to an online survey - it changes for each region.

Thanks soooo much to all the vipers who have helped so far and @ Twoloons for doing a great job with the thread wrangling!

Here are the press articles we’ve managed to generate so far:

Scotland:
25th March: The Telegraph
https://archive.is/dTUhY
26th March: Scottish Daily Express
https://archive.is/kaLCB
26th March: The Telegraph
https://archive.is/iSD9m

London:
21st April: The Telegraph
https://archive.is/awGuz
23rd April: The Telegraph (in conjunction with another thread by NHS mumsnetters)
https://archive.is/1DO8d

Original thread #1 here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1

NHS Policy Audit - working party | Mumsnet

Following on from Thread #23 of the Peggie v NHS Employment Tribunal. Anyone who wants to help with survey/audit of paperwork against the Equality Act...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5291237-nhs-policy-audit-working-party?page=1

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KnottyAuty · 12/05/2025 14:54

SeaStoat · 12/05/2025 14:30

There are some responses coming in on chaperone policy FOIs by John Braithwaite on WDTK. The ones I've looked at using gender, not sex. Also one says a chaperone may not be possible in maternity (Birmingham Womens and Childrens NHS Foundation Trust ). I'm not up to speed on maternity - ut was surprised it didn't refer only to when urget intervention is necessary.

So do keep an eye out in case there's a chaperone policy disclosed for your next analysis. No surprise that the NHS Fife Board says "The NHS Fife chaperone policy is still being developed."

I added chaperone policies and patient guidance and policies on pregnancy, maternity & breastfeeding to the 13 Northern Irish and Welsh FOIs that I did on 30 April (not visible on WDTK) as discussed. The Rainbow Ribbons revealed my local hospital doing "chest feeding" for the "non birthing parent", so I wonder what we'll find. So it'll take another 4-8 weeks to get all those in, on past experience.

Thanks for the update and further searches!

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GreenAllOver · 12/05/2025 15:09

FarriersGirl · 12/05/2025 08:45

The Sex Discrimination Act 1975 was absorbed and replaced by the Equality Act 2010. The Equality Act then built upon the principles of the 1975 Act, broadening and updating them within a unified legal framework. I think the SC looked at the original definitions of sex from the 1975 Act when coming to their conclusions.

@umbel @FarriersGirl If you can do some digging on this, that would be great. I feel like the more I look, the more avenues to explore I keep finding!

thenoisiesttermagant · 12/05/2025 15:34

nothingcomestonothing · 12/05/2025 14:54

Re whistleblowing - in every Trust there should be a Freedom To Speak Up Guardian, who any member of staff can go to raise concerns. The FTSUG can collate concerns, raise issues while keeping the reporting staff anonymous,and is meant to be neutral and outside the hierarchy of the Trust.

The FTSUG at my Trust has pronouns in her email signature. After you interact with she/her, you are automatically sent an email questionnaire about your experience of using the service. This has demographic questions, one asks you your gender, another asks if your gender is the same as the sex you were assigned at birth. So very neutral.

Yes, exactly. In a captured institution there really needs to be some way to whistleblow outside of that organisation.

Harassedevictee · 12/05/2025 16:32

thenoisiesttermagant · 12/05/2025 15:34

Yes, exactly. In a captured institution there really needs to be some way to whistleblow outside of that organisation.

There is a published list of prescribed person’s whistleblowers can report to including their MP. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/blowing-the-whistle-list-of-prescribed-people-and-bodies--2/whistleblowing-list-of-prescribed-people-and-bodies#healthcare

Whistleblowing: list of prescribed people and bodies

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/blowing-the-whistle-list-of-prescribed-people-and-bodies--2/whistleblowing-list-of-prescribed-people-and-bodies#healthcare

nothingcomestonothing · 12/05/2025 17:11

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that every one of them is captured by gender ideology, with the possible exception of the Sec of State for Health. Certainly CQC, NHS England, Healthwatch, the GMC, the NMC all are. Just like the supposedly neutral FTSUG.

Capture the public institutions and they'll enforce your ideology for you.

teawamutu · 12/05/2025 19:08

@KnottyAuty and @TwoLoonsAndASprout , is the intention that we get on with the North East while you crunch the previous data at your own pace, or do you need a break? Don't want to overburden you but otoh if we're about, maybe we can use the time wisely and have the info waiting when you're ready for it?

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 12/05/2025 19:14

teawamutu · 12/05/2025 19:08

@KnottyAuty and @TwoLoonsAndASprout , is the intention that we get on with the North East while you crunch the previous data at your own pace, or do you need a break? Don't want to overburden you but otoh if we're about, maybe we can use the time wisely and have the info waiting when you're ready for it?

I think you guys can get started on the North East! Give me a few mins and I’ll pop a list of trusts on here.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 12/05/2025 19:33

Ok, new list for your research delectation:

Trusts in the North East and Yorkshire

Acute

  • Airedale NHS Foundation Trust
  • Barnsley Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
  • Bradford Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
  • Calderdale & Huddersfield NHS Foundation Trust
  • County Durham & Darlington NHS Foundation Trust
  • Doncaster and Bassetlaw Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
  • Gateshead Health NHS Foundation Trust
  • Harrogate and District NHS Foundation Trust
  • Hull University Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust
  • Mid Yorkshire Teaching NHS Trust
  • North Cumbria University Hospitals NHS Trust
  • Northumbria Health Care NHS Foundation Trust
  • Northern Lincolnshire & Goole NHS Foundation Trust
  • North Tees and Hartlepool NHS Foundation Trust
  • Sheffield Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
  • South Tees Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
  • South Tyneside and Sunderland NHS Foundation Trust
  • The Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust
  • The Newcastle Upon Tyne Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust
  • The Rotherham NHS Foundation Trust
  • York and Scarborough Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust

Ambulance

  • North East Ambulance Service NHS Trust
  • North West Ambulance Service NHS Trust
  • Yorkshire Ambulance Service NHS Trust

Community and mental health

  • Bradford District Care NHS Trust
  • Cumbria, Northumberland, Tyne and Wear NHS Foundation Trust
  • Humber Teaching NHS Foundation Trust
  • Leeds and York Partnership NHS Foundation Trust
  • Leeds Community Healthcare NHS Trust
  • Rotherham Doncaster and South Humber NHS Foundation Trust
  • Sheffield Health and Social Care NHS Foundation Trust
  • South West Yorkshire Partnership NHS Foundation Trust
  • Tees, Esk and Wear Valleys NHS Foundation Trust

Specialist

  • Sheffield Children’s NHS Foundation Trust
thenoisiesttermagant · 12/05/2025 19:44

Can I have Sheffield Children's NHS Foundation Trust please?

Interested to know if a Children's Trust has better safeguarding (lives in hope).

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 12/05/2025 19:46

thenoisiesttermagant · 12/05/2025 19:44

Can I have Sheffield Children's NHS Foundation Trust please?

Interested to know if a Children's Trust has better safeguarding (lives in hope).

All yours! Give us a min - I have got ahead of @KnottyAuty here, who has to create the form. I will DM you as soon as it’s ready!

KnottyAuty · 12/05/2025 19:53

Oh crumbs. Give me a mo

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TwoLoonsAndASprout · 12/05/2025 19:59

KnottyAuty · 12/05/2025 19:53

Oh crumbs. Give me a mo

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NeedMoreTinfoil · 12/05/2025 20:12

I'm back home and ready to tackle another. Quite happy to start at top of list with Airedale NHS Foundation Trust. Or anything else, just let me know.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 12/05/2025 20:13

NeedMoreTinfoil · 12/05/2025 20:12

I'm back home and ready to tackle another. Quite happy to start at top of list with Airedale NHS Foundation Trust. Or anything else, just let me know.

Airedale all yours. I’ll DM you the new link. Thank you!

Blackmetallic · 12/05/2025 20:14

May I take Cumbria, Northumberland, Tyne and Wear NHS Trust please? Happy to wait for the new form to be generated, no rush

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 12/05/2025 20:16

Blackmetallic · 12/05/2025 20:14

May I take Cumbria, Northumberland, Tyne and Wear NHS Trust please? Happy to wait for the new form to be generated, no rush

You may indeed! And we have a new form, so I will DM you!

teawamutu · 12/05/2025 20:20

I'll bid for:
Barnsley Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
Bradford Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 12/05/2025 20:22

teawamutu · 12/05/2025 20:20

I'll bid for:
Barnsley Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
Bradford Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust

All yours - will DM you!

Blackmetallic · 12/05/2025 20:44

So a very quick first look at Cumbria, Northumberland Tyne and Wear's website - all of their policies are only available to staff (via a closed intranet) anyone else has to use FOI! There may be a transgender policy available from Ermine but no sign of a single sex accommodation policy yet (Ermine has requested a response) the website looks quite low in info at the moment. Will have to do some searching elsewhere I think

Faffertea · 12/05/2025 22:31

Just catching up but I’d be concerned about advocating for some sort of whistleblowing process.
This already supposedly exists in various forms. Hospitals are required to have a “Freedom to speak up” guardian and other people you can go to if you need to whistleblow. My experience of it (admittedly 7-8 years ago and in a limited capacity) was that it was essentially toothless and there’s really no guarantee of whistleblowing protection. People are still bullied and forced out of jobs for speaking up in a supposedly protected disclosure.

Look at the saga that is the case of Dr Chris Day if you want to lose faith in it completely.

What we need is Wes et al to state openly that the NHS needs to remove these policies and that failure to do so will result in financial penalties. They need to be given no choice about it.

Faffertea · 12/05/2025 22:36

And can see PPs have already posted about the whistleblowing issue.
If we’re up to Calderdale on the list I’ll do that next.

YellowRoom · 13/05/2025 06:45

Please may I have Leeds and York Partnership

GreenAllOver · 13/05/2025 07:32

YorkshireDays · 11/05/2025 20:28

If it hasn’t already been suggested, would it not be a good idea to include the CQC, the independent regulator of health care, etc. in this audit?
Here is their “Brief guide: Assessment of same-sex accommodation.” It writes about single-sex, then switches to “opposite-gender”…
www.cqc.org.uk/sites/default/files/9001415_Brief_guide_Assessment_of_Same_Sex_Accomodation.pdf

Sorry I missed this, I agree, but I’ve got my hands full with Dep of Health. If anyone can do some digging on CQC and its predecessor organisations, that would be great.

There also seems to be some key NHS guidance done by other bodies like NHS Estates and NHS Modernisation. Which means it is hard to find as it was accessible only to certain groups and so isn’t in the archives.

Cantunseeit · 13/05/2025 07:39

I’ve got a few super busy weeks ahead so won’t be able to contribute much but please allocate me one of the NE & Yorkshire Trusts and I’ll get on with it between IRL events!

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 13/05/2025 08:49

Faffertea · 12/05/2025 22:36

And can see PPs have already posted about the whistleblowing issue.
If we’re up to Calderdale on the list I’ll do that next.

Calderdale is yours. Will DM the new link.

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